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How are they starving when they’re making more sitting home than they made going to work? Are you implying they were starving before? Are there any starving peo

How are they starving when they’re making more sitting home than they made going to work? Are you implying they were starving before? Are there any starving people in the USA?

thebooktocome 6y ago
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance/ https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic... About four percent of households have "very low food security", defined as: “Reports of multiple indications of disrupted eating patterns and reduced food intake.”
adamsea 6y ago
Yes. Food insecurity is an issue. https://hungerandhealth.feedingamerica.org/understand-food-insecurity/ https://hungerandhealth.feedingamerica.org/understand-food-i... About 1 in 9 people -- in the wealthiest nation that ever existed on earth, which as of 2016 had 540 billionaires living in it with with a combined net worth of about 2.3 trillion (via Forbes from a quick google) -- face food insecurity. Relatedly, access to healthy food (that wont give you diabetes if you eat it all the time, to exaggerate a touch) is also an issue. http://thefoodtrust.org/uploads/media_items/access-to-healthy-food.original.pdf http://thefoodtrust.org/uploads/media_items/access-to-health...
- NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
  OK, but the definition of "food insecurity" used at that first link includes, at the "low food security level" people whose "quantity of food intake and normal eating patterns were not substantially disturbed". I don't think you're doing any favors to the cause of food security by suggesting that people starving in America is a big issue, or implying that anything like 1 in 9 people are in that situation. I think the honest answer to the question "is there anyone starving to death in America?" is "virtually no-one". I'm sure there are cases of parental mistreatment where children have been starved to death but they're not from economic causes. The broader question of "are there people whose health or development is affected because they cannot afford to eat healthily" is different, and important, but let's not pretend people are dying of starvation because primarily because they can't afford to eat.
  - greedo 6y ago
    It's hard to say if people would be starving without food assistance. Hopefully we won't experiment to find out. But just looking at the number of students who get free lunches in the US based upon their income levels is astounding. According to [0], the two main programs feed 32 MILLION free meals a day. The eligibility requirements for a free meal are <130% of the poverty level for the household. That's a household income (for a family of three) of $27500. [0]https://schoolnutrition.org/aboutschoolmeals/schoolmealtrendsstats/#:~:text=National%20School%20Lunch%20Program%20(NSLP,reduced%20price%20(student%20pays%20%240.40) https://schoolnutrition.org/aboutschoolmeals/schoolmealtrend...
  - adamsea 6y ago
    '"The word "hunger," the panel stated in its final report, "...should refer to a potential consequence of food insecurity that, because of prolonged, involuntary lack of food, results in discomfort, illness, weakness, or pain that goes beyond the usual uneasy sensation."' "One in seven households with children were affected by food insecurity in 2018." "Food insecurity rates are highest for single mother households and households with incomes below poverty line" "In 2018, 88.9 percent of U.S. households were food secure throughout the year. The remaining 11.1 percent of households were food insecure at least some time during the year, including 4.3 percent (5.6 million households) that had very low food security." https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance/#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of%20food%20insecurity,had%20very%20low%20food%20security https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic.... https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/definitions-of-food-security.aspx#:~:text=Food%20insecurity%E2%80%94the%20condition%20assessed,may%20result%20from%20food%20insecurity https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo....
    - NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
      Are you agreeing with me? Disagreeing with me? When all you do is quote from a report which has no findings w.r.t starvation it's hard to know. Starvation doesn't mean hunger, it means the process of dying of hunger.
jschwartzi 6y ago
If you want statistics on who’s starving in the US look up the counts for free and reduced lunch at schools in the area. They’re typically means tested and free lunch in particular is only granted to kids who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford the fifty cents a day for reduced price lunch. The USDA sets Income Eligibility Guidelines at the national level for these programs.
- infinite8s 6y ago
  New York City has implemented free lunches for all children up to 18, even through the summer. Sometimes means testing cost more than just providing it universally. Correction - they are providing it for anybody in the city: https://www.schools.nyc.gov/school-life/food/free-meals https://www.schools.nyc.gov/school-life/food/free-meals
  - Jtsummers 6y ago
    Means testing also creates a barrier because you have to apply. Cultural attitudes towards handouts prevent many people from applying, which hurts their children (in this case). At least some programs stopped doing means testing and made it universal because of that.
entropea 6y ago
Can you explain to us how that's communism?

How are they starving when they’re making more sitting home than they made going to work? Are you implying they were starving before? Are there any starving people in the USA?

thebooktocome 6y ago

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance/ https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic... About four percent of households have "very low food security", defined as: “Reports of multiple indications of disrupted eating patterns and reduced food intake.”

adamsea 6y ago

Yes. Food insecurity is an issue. https://hungerandhealth.feedingamerica.org/understand-food-insecurity/ https://hungerandhealth.feedingamerica.org/understand-food-i... About 1 in 9 people -- in the wealthiest nation that ever existed on earth, which as of 2016 had 540 billionaires living in it with with a combined net worth of about 2.3 trillion (via Forbes from a quick google) -- face food insecurity. Relatedly, access to healthy food (that wont give you diabetes if you eat it all the time, to exaggerate a touch) is also an issue. http://thefoodtrust.org/uploads/media_items/access-to-healthy-food.original.pdf http://thefoodtrust.org/uploads/media_items/access-to-health...

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
OK, but the definition of "food insecurity" used at that first link includes, at the "low food security level" people whose "quantity of food intake and normal eating patterns were not substantially disturbed". I don't think you're doing any favors to the cause of food security by suggesting that people starving in America is a big issue, or implying that anything like 1 in 9 people are in that situation. I think the honest answer to the question "is there anyone starving to death in America?" is "virtually no-one". I'm sure there are cases of parental mistreatment where children have been starved to death but they're not from economic causes. The broader question of "are there people whose health or development is affected because they cannot afford to eat healthily" is different, and important, but let's not pretend people are dying of starvation because primarily because they can't afford to eat.
- greedo 6y ago
  It's hard to say if people would be starving without food assistance. Hopefully we won't experiment to find out. But just looking at the number of students who get free lunches in the US based upon their income levels is astounding. According to [0], the two main programs feed 32 MILLION free meals a day. The eligibility requirements for a free meal are <130% of the poverty level for the household. That's a household income (for a family of three) of $27500. [0]https://schoolnutrition.org/aboutschoolmeals/schoolmealtrendsstats/#:~:text=National%20School%20Lunch%20Program%20(NSLP,reduced%20price%20(student%20pays%20%240.40) https://schoolnutrition.org/aboutschoolmeals/schoolmealtrend...
- adamsea 6y ago
  '"The word "hunger," the panel stated in its final report, "...should refer to a potential consequence of food insecurity that, because of prolonged, involuntary lack of food, results in discomfort, illness, weakness, or pain that goes beyond the usual uneasy sensation."' "One in seven households with children were affected by food insecurity in 2018." "Food insecurity rates are highest for single mother households and households with incomes below poverty line" "In 2018, 88.9 percent of U.S. households were food secure throughout the year. The remaining 11.1 percent of households were food insecure at least some time during the year, including 4.3 percent (5.6 million households) that had very low food security." https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance/#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of%20food%20insecurity,had%20very%20low%20food%20security https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic.... https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/definitions-of-food-security.aspx#:~:text=Food%20insecurity%E2%80%94the%20condition%20assessed,may%20result%20from%20food%20insecurity https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo....
  - NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
    Are you agreeing with me? Disagreeing with me? When all you do is quote from a report which has no findings w.r.t starvation it's hard to know. Starvation doesn't mean hunger, it means the process of dying of hunger.

jschwartzi 6y ago

If you want statistics on who’s starving in the US look up the counts for free and reduced lunch at schools in the area. They’re typically means tested and free lunch in particular is only granted to kids who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford the fifty cents a day for reduced price lunch. The USDA sets Income Eligibility Guidelines at the national level for these programs.

infinite8s 6y ago
New York City has implemented free lunches for all children up to 18, even through the summer. Sometimes means testing cost more than just providing it universally. Correction - they are providing it for anybody in the city: https://www.schools.nyc.gov/school-life/food/free-meals https://www.schools.nyc.gov/school-life/food/free-meals
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  Means testing also creates a barrier because you have to apply. Cultural attitudes towards handouts prevent many people from applying, which hurts their children (in this case). At least some programs stopped doing means testing and made it universal because of that.

entropea 6y ago

Can you explain to us how that's communism?