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> But there is also no reason why they should even try, whereas before there was. This makes no sense. There's countless examples of independent nations/supra-

> But there is also no reason why they should even try, whereas before there was. This makes no sense. There's countless examples of independent nations/supra-national bodies etc. with wildly diverging goals across many areas also managing to work together on shared goals. You seem to be pushing the same false dichotomy again, that is, that it's either the UK within the EU, else a cold war type situation, and there is no possibility whatsoever of a third situation. I'd suggest that's very obviously bogus. What I find revealing is that years on from the referendum it's the same crude, tired and spurious anti-Brexit arguments being trotted out. If after all this time the only tactic is Project Fear mk. infinity, what can one conclude about the supposed benefits of EU membership?

ben_w 6y ago
You’re saying this on a thread whose ancestor comment (not yours, I know) was: > the same EU that rewrote its coronavirus report several times in fear of CCP repercussions? And you’re saying it to people who are coming up with reasons why the post-Brexit EU doesn’t share your concerns. This does not require a “cold war type situation”. It just requires every other EU member state to have more important things from their own perspective. It’s not hatred you’re seeing from the EU, it is apathy. The false dichotomy is your own.
blibble 6y ago
just FYI: you're arguing with someone that spent a year attempting to move to the EU because the UK voted to leave (from his own comments on this site) everything the UK does is automatically bad
- ben_w 6y ago
  Someone who succeeded in remaining in the EU after a one year delay to look after a parent with Alzheimer’s, not explicitly because of the vote itself but because several prominent Brexit campaigners wanted to take away the one stick I could use to fight off the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. And no, not everything, and definitely not automatically — that’s one mind-trap I am keen to avoid. It’s just that competent “no-EEA Brexit” planning would take the UK about 10 of the last 4 years even if it hadn’t done anything else. Heck, if Cameron has said “Oh well, EEA it will be then like the Leave campaigners asked for :(” I would probably still be in the UK, because EEA membership requires the government to allow me to use the metaphorical stick I want to keep the IP Act at bay.
  - blibble 6y ago
    > And no, not everything, and definitely not automatically — that’s one mind-trap I am keen to avoid. if you say so, I actually worked with you before in meatspace and have seen the dogmatic behaviour before (several times)

ben_w 6y ago

You’re saying this on a thread whose ancestor comment (not yours, I know) was: > the same EU that rewrote its coronavirus report several times in fear of CCP repercussions? And you’re saying it to people who are coming up with reasons why the post-Brexit EU doesn’t share your concerns. This does not require a “cold war type situation”. It just requires every other EU member state to have more important things from their own perspective. It’s not hatred you’re seeing from the EU, it is apathy. The false dichotomy is your own.

blibble 6y ago

just FYI: you're arguing with someone that spent a year attempting to move to the EU because the UK voted to leave (from his own comments on this site) everything the UK does is automatically bad

ben_w 6y ago
Someone who succeeded in remaining in the EU after a one year delay to look after a parent with Alzheimer’s, not explicitly because of the vote itself but because several prominent Brexit campaigners wanted to take away the one stick I could use to fight off the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. And no, not everything, and definitely not automatically — that’s one mind-trap I am keen to avoid. It’s just that competent “no-EEA Brexit” planning would take the UK about 10 of the last 4 years even if it hadn’t done anything else. Heck, if Cameron has said “Oh well, EEA it will be then like the Leave campaigners asked for :(” I would probably still be in the UK, because EEA membership requires the government to allow me to use the metaphorical stick I want to keep the IP Act at bay.
- blibble 6y ago
  > And no, not everything, and definitely not automatically — that’s one mind-trap I am keen to avoid. if you say so, I actually worked with you before in meatspace and have seen the dogmatic behaviour before (several times)