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Most probably run linux ;) I think that creators of ransomwares try to target the broader audience. The ROI is probably higher if you target Windows, as this it

by aphroz 6y ago

Most probably run linux ;) I think that creators of ransomwares try to target the broader audience. The ROI is probably higher if you target Windows, as this it is probably running on 95% of the personal computers worldwide. Linux servers have probably more valuable data, but better security and backups. While I would be curious to know the percentage of Mac users who are installing softwares from another source than the app store. I will go even further, I am quite sure than a good percentage of Mac users never use any other software than an internet browser.

bryanrasmussen 6y ago
>I am quite sure than a good percentage of Mac users never use any other software than an internet browser. that seems like a particularly expensive device for only internet browsing.
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- noisem4ker 6y ago
  I'm not sure why a reply disappeared here, but I feel like reaffirming its late content: >The strength of Apple products is to be perceived as a higher value thanks to design and marketing. People would buy a Gucci t-shirt for 300$, it's also particularly expensive for a t-shirt. At this point people don't buy the product for its intrinsic value, but for status and perceived value.
  - close04 6y ago
    While the brand always commands a premium (Gucci, Apple, etc.) the comparison is unfair. Fashion is all about image, not functionality so a Gucci t-shirt is for all intents and purposes a regular t-shirt with a Gucci logo (or worse [0]). In tech most companies do struggle to bring something all of their own. Apple in particular does an above average job at this: dedicated OS, dedicated CPUs, dedicated various other chips (like the T, W, U chips). Saying it's only a logo is disingenuous. [0] https://www.dailycal.org/2013/07/19/kanye-wests-ridiculously-expensive-plain-white-t-shirt-is-sadly-a-hot-item/ https://www.dailycal.org/2013/07/19/kanye-wests-ridiculously...
    - tkeAmarktinClss 6y ago
      Extremely debatable. There are uncountable negatives as an Apple consumer. Sure you might have a few benefits, but you must deal with unavoidable pains at every turn.
      - bryanrasmussen 6y ago
        I agree there are uncountable negatives as an Apple consumer, but I'm not sure they are any greater in number than the uncountable negatives of being a Windows consumer - and I kind of like Windows. Or for that matter if you're not a developer the uncountable negatives of Ubuntu.
        tkeAmarktinClss 6y ago
        Ubuntu server is flawless, you take that back :P Ubuntu desktop... I tried multiple times across multiple decades, I've given up. Not sure what Windows issues exist outside licences disappearing upon reformatting. But that's still exponentially cheaper to fix then any Apple product.
        bryanrasmussen 6y ago
        >Not sure what Windows issues exist outside licences well, perhaps not for you and I guess not really, in my experience, for me, but I have noticed that the population at large seems to suffer recurrent damage related to some ancient decisions made regarding Windows security.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Lol. I remember when the iMac Pro was released at $4999, and many said they could build their own for a fraction of the cost, and it turned out the parts alone were $4500. Without design, packaging, and warranty. 5k & 4K screens, aluminum bodied laptops, MagSafe connectors, MacOS, high performance SSD read/write speeds, T2 onboard security, fusion drives, etc, etc, People pretend design and development is free, then bitch about their plastic crap cheap laptop.
evgen 6y ago
I think that you are also going to find that shops with any significant percentage of Macs that the shared services are run on Linux and not Windows. In a Windows-only shop you can basically get complete control once you pop the PDC, but in a blended/hybrid setup you are unlikely to be able to make quick lateral traversal to the servers that you would need to compromise to make the effort lucrative. FWIW, I would bet that 25% or more of all enterprise Macs are also going to be running homebrew and a ton of standard unix software.
historyremade 6y ago
I assure you the ROI is low on Windows compared to MacOS. A lot of rich people including I use MacOS than Windows. I've been Windows user for last 10 years and switched to Mac more recently. It just feel so amazing. I've never had a single machine crash like Windows had.
historyremade 6y ago
In long run it's very cheap to use Mac Machines than Windows. IBM has switched to Mac because of that reason.
Angostura 6y ago
> I am quite sure than a good percentage of Mac users never use any other software than an internet browser. Is that based on anything much, or is that just a bit of prejudice? Where I work its the PCs that are used as basic e-mail/word/browser machine - the Macs are used by people who are doing a bit more.

by aphroz 6y ago

bryanrasmussen 6y ago

>I am quite sure than a good percentage of Mac users never use any other software than an internet browser. that seems like a particularly expensive device for only internet browsing.

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noisem4ker 6y ago
I'm not sure why a reply disappeared here, but I feel like reaffirming its late content: >The strength of Apple products is to be perceived as a higher value thanks to design and marketing. People would buy a Gucci t-shirt for 300$, it's also particularly expensive for a t-shirt. At this point people don't buy the product for its intrinsic value, but for status and perceived value.
- close04 6y ago
  While the brand always commands a premium (Gucci, Apple, etc.) the comparison is unfair. Fashion is all about image, not functionality so a Gucci t-shirt is for all intents and purposes a regular t-shirt with a Gucci logo (or worse [0]). In tech most companies do struggle to bring something all of their own. Apple in particular does an above average job at this: dedicated OS, dedicated CPUs, dedicated various other chips (like the T, W, U chips). Saying it's only a logo is disingenuous. [0] https://www.dailycal.org/2013/07/19/kanye-wests-ridiculously-expensive-plain-white-t-shirt-is-sadly-a-hot-item/ https://www.dailycal.org/2013/07/19/kanye-wests-ridiculously...
  - tkeAmarktinClss 6y ago
    Extremely debatable. There are uncountable negatives as an Apple consumer. Sure you might have a few benefits, but you must deal with unavoidable pains at every turn.
    - bryanrasmussen 6y ago
      I agree there are uncountable negatives as an Apple consumer, but I'm not sure they are any greater in number than the uncountable negatives of being a Windows consumer - and I kind of like Windows. Or for that matter if you're not a developer the uncountable negatives of Ubuntu.
      - tkeAmarktinClss 6y ago
        Ubuntu server is flawless, you take that back :P Ubuntu desktop... I tried multiple times across multiple decades, I've given up. Not sure what Windows issues exist outside licences disappearing upon reformatting. But that's still exponentially cheaper to fix then any Apple product.
        bryanrasmussen 6y ago
        >Not sure what Windows issues exist outside licences well, perhaps not for you and I guess not really, in my experience, for me, but I have noticed that the population at large seems to suffer recurrent damage related to some ancient decisions made regarding Windows security.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Lol. I remember when the iMac Pro was released at $4999, and many said they could build their own for a fraction of the cost, and it turned out the parts alone were $4500. Without design, packaging, and warranty. 5k & 4K screens, aluminum bodied laptops, MagSafe connectors, MacOS, high performance SSD read/write speeds, T2 onboard security, fusion drives, etc, etc, People pretend design and development is free, then bitch about their plastic crap cheap laptop.

evgen 6y ago

I think that you are also going to find that shops with any significant percentage of Macs that the shared services are run on Linux and not Windows. In a Windows-only shop you can basically get complete control once you pop the PDC, but in a blended/hybrid setup you are unlikely to be able to make quick lateral traversal to the servers that you would need to compromise to make the effort lucrative. FWIW, I would bet that 25% or more of all enterprise Macs are also going to be running homebrew and a ton of standard unix software.

historyremade 6y ago

I assure you the ROI is low on Windows compared to MacOS. A lot of rich people including I use MacOS than Windows. I've been Windows user for last 10 years and switched to Mac more recently. It just feel so amazing. I've never had a single machine crash like Windows had.

historyremade 6y ago

In long run it's very cheap to use Mac Machines than Windows. IBM has switched to Mac because of that reason.

Angostura 6y ago

> I am quite sure than a good percentage of Mac users never use any other software than an internet browser. Is that based on anything much, or is that just a bit of prejudice? Where I work its the PCs that are used as basic e-mail/word/browser machine - the Macs are used by people who are doing a bit more.