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Lightning cables have exposed contacts - While at 5V, this does not pose a significant shock risk, if full current were available, brushing the connector agains

Lightning cables have exposed contacts - While at 5V, this does not pose a significant shock risk, if full current were available, brushing the connector against metal could result in sparks and damage to the connector or power supply. Additionally, if the connector gets wet, the DC voltage will result in electrolytic corrosion. This still does happen even with the limited current provided before the handshake, just slower. (Don't!!!) try charging a phone with official cables and a power bank in the rain or letting a plugged in lighting cord's lightning end sit in some soup Cables with electronics in them are useful for protections like this, and to facilitate safe interoperability of multiple voltage and current sources and sinks like on USB Type-C. The question becomes, is the protocol implemented in a simple, open consumer friendly way or is it implemented with other nasty antifeatures.

jcrawfordor 6y ago
Couldn't all of the protections on current delivery be implemented in the interface on the other end of the cable, though? This is the approach taken by basically every other standard for negotiated power delivery. Even things like 802.3af which manage to deliver 48v at nearly an amp and with the complicating case of many valid devices not really tolerating any current delivered.
- sjwright 6y ago
  The other end of the cable is generic USB and can often be a naked, logic-free 5V supply.
  - bigyikes 6y ago
    I’ve cut the ends off way too many USB cables just to expose those red and black wires.
    - epse 6y ago
      And surprisingly many cables even have just those two wires inside of them and can't carry any data
- varenc 6y ago
  The other end being USB-A power adapters? There’s a vast number of those of varying quality. Some have zero logic and just output 5V/1A. No way they could be trusted for this purpose. call this a “safety in depth” approach
  - jayd16 6y ago
    So we should buy expensive cables and cheap power supplies?
    - gok 6y ago
      There was already a huge installed base of cheap power supplies
    - chrisrogers 6y ago
      Those cheap power supplies are ubiquitous, so it's more about Apple building their cables to exist in the built environment than dealing with the fallout of consumers busting up their expensive phones by charging them on whatever's lying around. Guarantee there was a consumer study where they compared reactions between these scenario.
    - varenc 6y ago
      The manufacturers knows that if it’s their product in contact when a user is shocked, they will get some blame even if it’s “really” the sketchy power supply’s fault. And since some cables have these safety features already, anyone making cables without them will appear extra negligent when bad things happen. The world is unfortunately not very efficient.
  - chongli 6y ago
    No I think the GP meant the port on the iPhone as the “other end”. In other words, why not have all of the protection logic built into the phone?
    - projektfu 6y ago
      If the cable is dumb, it can’t switch the +5v power coming from a USB supply. If it can switch it, it’s not dumb.
- WGH_ 6y ago
  Isn't direct current component ignored by default just because Ethernet devices are galvanically isolated? I thought even if you applied some DC voltage to Ethernet without proper PoE negotation, nothing would happen at all.

jcrawfordor 6y ago

Couldn't all of the protections on current delivery be implemented in the interface on the other end of the cable, though? This is the approach taken by basically every other standard for negotiated power delivery. Even things like 802.3af which manage to deliver 48v at nearly an amp and with the complicating case of many valid devices not really tolerating any current delivered.

sjwright 6y ago
The other end of the cable is generic USB and can often be a naked, logic-free 5V supply.
- bigyikes 6y ago
  I’ve cut the ends off way too many USB cables just to expose those red and black wires.
  - epse 6y ago
    And surprisingly many cables even have just those two wires inside of them and can't carry any data
varenc 6y ago
The other end being USB-A power adapters? There’s a vast number of those of varying quality. Some have zero logic and just output 5V/1A. No way they could be trusted for this purpose. call this a “safety in depth” approach
- jayd16 6y ago
  So we should buy expensive cables and cheap power supplies?
  - gok 6y ago
    There was already a huge installed base of cheap power supplies
  - chrisrogers 6y ago
    Those cheap power supplies are ubiquitous, so it's more about Apple building their cables to exist in the built environment than dealing with the fallout of consumers busting up their expensive phones by charging them on whatever's lying around. Guarantee there was a consumer study where they compared reactions between these scenario.
  - varenc 6y ago
    The manufacturers knows that if it’s their product in contact when a user is shocked, they will get some blame even if it’s “really” the sketchy power supply’s fault. And since some cables have these safety features already, anyone making cables without them will appear extra negligent when bad things happen. The world is unfortunately not very efficient.
- chongli 6y ago
  No I think the GP meant the port on the iPhone as the “other end”. In other words, why not have all of the protection logic built into the phone?
  - projektfu 6y ago
    If the cable is dumb, it can’t switch the +5v power coming from a USB supply. If it can switch it, it’s not dumb.
WGH_ 6y ago
Isn't direct current component ignored by default just because Ethernet devices are galvanically isolated? I thought even if you applied some DC voltage to Ethernet without proper PoE negotation, nothing would happen at all.