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This is the consequence of companies like Discord letting child predators run rampant on their platform and doing nothing about it. There are two sides to every

by zelly 6y ago

This is the consequence of companies like Discord letting child predators run rampant on their platform and doing nothing about it. There are two sides to every story. You can imagine how the government would react after seeing hundreds and hundreds of cases coming out of Discord, Snap, even FB. Reading the actual bill[1] rather than sensational headlines, you can see this is mostly about creating a tip line and bureauracy for reporting CP. Ctrl+F "encrypt" 0 results. Me no care. Deal with it Discord. Pass it. [1] https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s3398/BILLS-116s3398is.pdf https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s3398/BILLS-116s3398is.pd...

markkanof 6y ago
I initially thought you couldn't possibly be right about this, but what you stated does seem to be the case. After skimming through the full text, the main point of this seems to be about setting up a committee that will come up with "best practices" that online service providers can follow to reduce/eliminate the exploitation of children on their platform. Can someone explain how this "creates a threat to strong encryption".
- kinghajj 6y ago
  If they determine that "best practice" no longer includes secure end-to-end encryption that a service provider can't decrypt independently of the user, they'll use that as political leverage. "See, our self-selected panel of experts said that this isn't a best practice, yet Apple and Facebook are still doing it anyway!"
  - phendrenad2 6y ago
    I suspect that Apple and Facebook will control said committee. They just need to donate more money to the campaign funds of people lucky enough to be on that committee.
- sgillen 6y ago
  The bill also offers legal protections for companies that follow those best practices. It’s not hard to imagine that 1. The best practices include not using strong encryption, 2. An environment with lots of lawsuits directed at companies not following those practices .
ascotan 6y ago
>>>Not later than 1 year after the date on which a bill that contains recommended best practices submitted to Congress ... and annually thereafter, an officer of a provider of an interactive computer service may submit a written certification to the Attorney General stating that the provider (1) has conducted a thorough review of the implementation and operation of the best practices; and (2) has a reasonable basis to conclude that review does not reveal any material non-compliance with the requirements of the best practices >>>Whenever the Attorney General has reason to believe that an officer of a provider of an interactive computer service has filed a false certification ... the Attorney General may issue ... a civil investigative demand requiring the provider to (i) produce any documentary material ... answer in writing written interrogatories ... give oral testimony ... furnish any combination of such material, answers, or testimony. >>>The Attorney General shall maintain on the website of the Department of Justice a public list of each provider of an interactive computer service for which a certification has been submitted ... >>>The best practices required to be developed and submitted ... shall include alternatives that take into consideration ... the transmission and storage of information on behalf of other interactive computer services ... provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all internet endpoints on behalf of a consumer For the last 10 years, encryption/privacy has become the watchword for people around the globe. I remember back when gmail was the first to use HTTPS for email and people freaked out. Today it's an expectation for everything and every service. I think there are competing concerns here. The need for privacy and the need for safety. In order to keep everyone safe, we need to monitor what your doing. Some people will buy this, others wont. I think it depends on if you trust the monitor. Its back to the 'do you have anything to hide' conversation, which I think misses the point. The point, I think, is that there is a fundamental right to privacy, that in some sense, is frustrating and annoying. It's the battles over WhatsApp, Apple IPhones, etc. Safety and Freedom don't always go hand-in-hand. I remember watching TV shows/movies back in the day where there Soviets with AK-47s asking people for their 'papers' as they get on a train. Today there are armed police walking the hallways of my kids schools, at concert venues, TSA screeners at the airport, etc. There is a price for safety imho. There's a price for freedom too. I'm not sure what the right answer is, but i wholly support petitions like this because they are the voice of the people.

by zelly 6y ago

markkanof 6y ago

I initially thought you couldn't possibly be right about this, but what you stated does seem to be the case. After skimming through the full text, the main point of this seems to be about setting up a committee that will come up with "best practices" that online service providers can follow to reduce/eliminate the exploitation of children on their platform. Can someone explain how this "creates a threat to strong encryption".

kinghajj 6y ago
If they determine that "best practice" no longer includes secure end-to-end encryption that a service provider can't decrypt independently of the user, they'll use that as political leverage. "See, our self-selected panel of experts said that this isn't a best practice, yet Apple and Facebook are still doing it anyway!"
- phendrenad2 6y ago
  I suspect that Apple and Facebook will control said committee. They just need to donate more money to the campaign funds of people lucky enough to be on that committee.
sgillen 6y ago
The bill also offers legal protections for companies that follow those best practices. It’s not hard to imagine that 1. The best practices include not using strong encryption, 2. An environment with lots of lawsuits directed at companies not following those practices .

ascotan 6y ago

>>>Not later than 1 year after the date on which a bill that contains recommended best practices submitted to Congress ... and annually thereafter, an officer of a provider of an interactive computer service may submit a written certification to the Attorney General stating that the provider (1) has conducted a thorough review of the implementation and operation of the best practices; and (2) has a reasonable basis to conclude that review does not reveal any material non-compliance with the requirements of the best practices >>>Whenever the Attorney General has reason to believe that an officer of a provider of an interactive computer service has filed a false certification ... the Attorney General may issue ... a civil investigative demand requiring the provider to (i) produce any documentary material ... answer in writing written interrogatories ... give oral testimony ... furnish any combination of such material, answers, or testimony. >>>The Attorney General shall maintain on the website of the Department of Justice a public list of each provider of an interactive computer service for which a certification has been submitted ... >>>The best practices required to be developed and submitted ... shall include alternatives that take into consideration ... the transmission and storage of information on behalf of other interactive computer services ... provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all internet endpoints on behalf of a consumer For the last 10 years, encryption/privacy has become the watchword for people around the globe. I remember back when gmail was the first to use HTTPS for email and people freaked out. Today it's an expectation for everything and every service. I think there are competing concerns here. The need for privacy and the need for safety. In order to keep everyone safe, we need to monitor what your doing. Some people will buy this, others wont. I think it depends on if you trust the monitor. Its back to the 'do you have anything to hide' conversation, which I think misses the point. The point, I think, is that there is a fundamental right to privacy, that in some sense, is frustrating and annoying. It's the battles over WhatsApp, Apple IPhones, etc. Safety and Freedom don't always go hand-in-hand. I remember watching TV shows/movies back in the day where there Soviets with AK-47s asking people for their 'papers' as they get on a train. Today there are armed police walking the hallways of my kids schools, at concert venues, TSA screeners at the airport, etc. There is a price for safety imho. There's a price for freedom too. I'm not sure what the right answer is, but i wholly support petitions like this because they are the voice of the people.