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Thankful for Mozilla and EFF, but have any tech elites spoken out against this or put money into defeating it? Thiel, Musk, Altman, Graham... hello? Should we a

Thankful for Mozilla and EFF, but have any tech elites spoken out against this or put money into defeating it? Thiel, Musk, Altman, Graham... hello? Should we assume SV is complicit?

Klonoar 6y ago
Not even touching on those individuals, it's been bothering me that it feels like mostly silence from Google, Apple, Facebook (who this would presumably really hit at), etc. I'd really love to be missing something. It feels like this is just fading into the background... and while I can acknowledge the idea that you might just try to fight this as unconstitutional after it passes, that feels inherently risky given this administration (if not downright stupid).
- foolfoolz 6y ago
  because apple, google, facebook already comply with this. they have built ways for the government to access their data. any company with an important enough set of information is going to get this request and you can’t say no
  - Klonoar 6y ago
    I know what you're saying, but where do you think you are? Please have enough common sense to assume I asked the question knowing how that works. The primary thing with this bill that the companies seem explicitly quiet on is the fact that the use case it opens up for the government (sidestepping user privacy/encryption) coupled with the level of power it more or less places in the Attorney General's hands. I can't in good faith assume that these companies are comfortable with this, and I'd like to know why they're not speaking up.
  - jedieaston 6y ago
    At least for Apple, they claim the iPhone (at least devices post-checkm8) has not been compromised. iCloud is required to comply with records requests, but the data isn’t in iCloud the feds can’t get it. Even with checkm8, the Secure Enclave still has not been compromised. If they were in bed with the feds, the FBI/NYPD wouldn’t keep asking them for keys that Apple doesn’t have.
- suizi 6y ago
  Their lobby group has shared their concerns over the bill but they haven't done much beyond that.

Thankful for Mozilla and EFF, but have any tech elites spoken out against this or put money into defeating it? Thiel, Musk, Altman, Graham... hello? Should we assume SV is complicit?

Klonoar 6y ago

Not even touching on those individuals, it's been bothering me that it feels like mostly silence from Google, Apple, Facebook (who this would presumably really hit at), etc. I'd really love to be missing something. It feels like this is just fading into the background... and while I can acknowledge the idea that you might just try to fight this as unconstitutional after it passes, that feels inherently risky given this administration (if not downright stupid).

foolfoolz 6y ago
because apple, google, facebook already comply with this. they have built ways for the government to access their data. any company with an important enough set of information is going to get this request and you can’t say no
- Klonoar 6y ago
  I know what you're saying, but where do you think you are? Please have enough common sense to assume I asked the question knowing how that works. The primary thing with this bill that the companies seem explicitly quiet on is the fact that the use case it opens up for the government (sidestepping user privacy/encryption) coupled with the level of power it more or less places in the Attorney General's hands. I can't in good faith assume that these companies are comfortable with this, and I'd like to know why they're not speaking up.
- jedieaston 6y ago
  At least for Apple, they claim the iPhone (at least devices post-checkm8) has not been compromised. iCloud is required to comply with records requests, but the data isn’t in iCloud the feds can’t get it. Even with checkm8, the Secure Enclave still has not been compromised. If they were in bed with the feds, the FBI/NYPD wouldn’t keep asking them for keys that Apple doesn’t have.
suizi 6y ago
Their lobby group has shared their concerns over the bill but they haven't done much beyond that.