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OK, how about this: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathroom-policies-sexual-assault-study/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/h

OK, how about this: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathroom-policies-sexual-assault-study/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathro... - right wing policies lead to sexual assault. What about this - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-carolina-trans-sexual-assault-raleigh-bathroom-bill-women-charged-a8718796.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-caro... - right-wing violence, kidnapping and sexually violating someone for taking a fucking piss. Do you want me to spend the next 24 hours finding you news stories of right-wing violence against people minding their own business? Actually, no, you do it. EDIT: Ooh, this one, where right-wing violence resulted in literally needing bone surgery to repair the victim's face: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/us/man-guilty-hate-crime-beat-trans-woman-restroom-trnd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/us/man-guilty-hate-crime-... You try and explain to me how property damage is the same thing as murdering people in cold blood for simply existing. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/18/chicago-transgender-woman-shot-selena-reyes-hernandez/3219244001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/18/chicago... What do you want to see? What would convince you that right-wing violence is a problem? Number of hate crimes?

derision 6y ago
There's nothing that indicates any of these were committed by right wing people. The first article is based on a study surveying 13-17 year olds and mentions some legislation, but no sexual assault that I can see. Two drunk women, no evidence they are right wing or support any specific ideology. And so on. Individual acts of violence are not the same as an authoritarian regime, like the current left wing mob.
- vertex-four 6y ago
  Right, so violence against trans folk is totally left-wing. There's never been anybody encouraging violence against trans folk as part of right-wing ideology. Got it. Many individual acts over time can be worse than a single instance of violence that affects many, you realise?
  - derision 6y ago
    Yes, some of it is. Whether you want to believe it or not. One such instance is the GenderCritical subreddit which was recently banned: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobia-gender-critical-page-hate-speech-donald-trump-steve-huffman/ https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobi...
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      I am aware of TERFs, I currently live in a country where they recently managed to convince the Prime Minister to harass us in order to split the opposing party (which has multiple factions and where the primary reason they stay together is similar opinions on workers' rights) which had started gaining footing. I also very much disbelieve that they constitute any of the left, given that the left largely won't talk to them or acknowledge the validity of their ideas, and they tend to wind up making deals with right-wing anti-feminist (even anti-cisgender-woman) organisations to push their agenda. Calling yourself a "feminist" doesn't make you one, especially when you stomp on other women's hard-earned rights and privileges in order to pursue your goal of burying "men". Find me a TERF who openly supports Black Lives Matter and spends a bunch of time advocating for women's rights other than the oppression of trans women, and I'll eat my hat. EDIT: On the other hand, Black Lives Matter groups by and large support trans folk, at least in words. Black Lives Matter UK: "All forms of oppression are interrelated, you cannot be for Black lives if you do not emphatically support the cause for Black queer lives, Black trans lives [and] the lives of Black women." - and this demo: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/black-trans-protests-rally-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/black-trans-... - and this trans person who cofounded a part of BLM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elle_Hearns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elle_Hearns

derision 6y ago

There's nothing that indicates any of these were committed by right wing people. The first article is based on a study surveying 13-17 year olds and mentions some legislation, but no sexual assault that I can see. Two drunk women, no evidence they are right wing or support any specific ideology. And so on. Individual acts of violence are not the same as an authoritarian regime, like the current left wing mob.

vertex-four 6y ago
Right, so violence against trans folk is totally left-wing. There's never been anybody encouraging violence against trans folk as part of right-wing ideology. Got it. Many individual acts over time can be worse than a single instance of violence that affects many, you realise?
- derision 6y ago
  Yes, some of it is. Whether you want to believe it or not. One such instance is the GenderCritical subreddit which was recently banned: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobia-gender-critical-page-hate-speech-donald-trump-steve-huffman/ https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobi...
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    I am aware of TERFs, I currently live in a country where they recently managed to convince the Prime Minister to harass us in order to split the opposing party (which has multiple factions and where the primary reason they stay together is similar opinions on workers' rights) which had started gaining footing. I also very much disbelieve that they constitute any of the left, given that the left largely won't talk to them or acknowledge the validity of their ideas, and they tend to wind up making deals with right-wing anti-feminist (even anti-cisgender-woman) organisations to push their agenda. Calling yourself a "feminist" doesn't make you one, especially when you stomp on other women's hard-earned rights and privileges in order to pursue your goal of burying "men". Find me a TERF who openly supports Black Lives Matter and spends a bunch of time advocating for women's rights other than the oppression of trans women, and I'll eat my hat. EDIT: On the other hand, Black Lives Matter groups by and large support trans folk, at least in words. Black Lives Matter UK: "All forms of oppression are interrelated, you cannot be for Black lives if you do not emphatically support the cause for Black queer lives, Black trans lives [and] the lives of Black women." - and this demo: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/black-trans-protests-rally-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/black-trans-... - and this trans person who cofounded a part of BLM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elle_Hearns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elle_Hearns