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From what I've heard almost everyone tries to get out, so I expect that the alleged hope of the CPC will come true. Nonetheless it is the right thing to do for

From what I've heard almost everyone tries to get out, so I expect that the alleged hope of the CPC will come true. Nonetheless it is the right thing to do for the UK (where are the EU nations on this?), and exile doesn't have to mean abandoning the future of your birthplace. Hong Kongers might be able to achieve more for HK from the UK than under a Beijing cyber-dictatorship.

magicsmoke 6y ago
That's if their children don't assimilate and forget their HK identity. Children of Asian migrants in anglophone countries losing touch with their language and heritage is a very common phenomenon. Actually that raises an interesting comparison with the Tibetan diaspora that mostly left during around 1950. How many of their descendants growing up in India/US/UK still know how to speak Tibetan?
- woodpanel 6y ago
  True. IMO assimilation isn't a bad thing, rather an indicator of a culture they bring with them which is accustomed to concepts of citizenry (or even more evolved) and the state (confucianism?).
  - magicsmoke 6y ago
    Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away. Also, most of the Asian diaspora in the anglophone sphere assimilate simply because there's not enough population, not because of some special cultural quality. 5% of the US is Asian American, and that's divided among all the different Asian nations. The Asian diaspora in Southeast Asia do a much better job of preserving their languages and culture.
    - woodpanel 6y ago
      Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away. But it doesn't mean they are forgetting about their ancestors struggle or their heritage either. not because of some special cultural quality It could easily transcribed as education, no need to imply cultural patronzing.
      - magicsmoke 6y ago
        If by remembering their heritage you mean how half the US remembers they're 1/16 Irish only when St. Patrick's day rolls around, then yes. HK is in a catch-22. Stay where they are and get absorbed into the Mandarin speaking behemoth that's mainland China like Hakka, Wu, and Hokkien speakers once the CCP starts tearing down border and population movement restrictions, or move abroad to a dozen different countries and be absorbed piecemeal into the Anglosphere. The third option would be for 1 million or so HKers to build a new city somewhere where they could be the dominant culture. Unfortunately, Singapore is a very unusual case in world history where Malaysia didn't care about sovereignty over the land Singapore stood on and actually forced them out. Very little chance of that happening a second time.
dennisgorelik 6y ago
> Hong Kongers might be able to achieve more for HK from the UK Hong Kongers are likely to achieve more for the world - from UK rather than from authoritarian China. The fate of Hong Kong, specifically, is not that important.
apexalpha 6y ago
>(where are the EU nations on this?) They're silent. It's not their ex-colony and, very sorry to say it like this, but HK isn't worth angering China over.

magicsmoke 6y ago

That's if their children don't assimilate and forget their HK identity. Children of Asian migrants in anglophone countries losing touch with their language and heritage is a very common phenomenon. Actually that raises an interesting comparison with the Tibetan diaspora that mostly left during around 1950. How many of their descendants growing up in India/US/UK still know how to speak Tibetan?

woodpanel 6y ago
True. IMO assimilation isn't a bad thing, rather an indicator of a culture they bring with them which is accustomed to concepts of citizenry (or even more evolved) and the state (confucianism?).
- magicsmoke 6y ago
  Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away. Also, most of the Asian diaspora in the anglophone sphere assimilate simply because there's not enough population, not because of some special cultural quality. 5% of the US is Asian American, and that's divided among all the different Asian nations. The Asian diaspora in Southeast Asia do a much better job of preserving their languages and culture.
  - woodpanel 6y ago
    Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away. But it doesn't mean they are forgetting about their ancestors struggle or their heritage either. not because of some special cultural quality It could easily transcribed as education, no need to imply cultural patronzing.
    - magicsmoke 6y ago
      If by remembering their heritage you mean how half the US remembers they're 1/16 Irish only when St. Patrick's day rolls around, then yes. HK is in a catch-22. Stay where they are and get absorbed into the Mandarin speaking behemoth that's mainland China like Hakka, Wu, and Hokkien speakers once the CCP starts tearing down border and population movement restrictions, or move abroad to a dozen different countries and be absorbed piecemeal into the Anglosphere. The third option would be for 1 million or so HKers to build a new city somewhere where they could be the dominant culture. Unfortunately, Singapore is a very unusual case in world history where Malaysia didn't care about sovereignty over the land Singapore stood on and actually forced them out. Very little chance of that happening a second time.

dennisgorelik 6y ago

> Hong Kongers might be able to achieve more for HK from the UK Hong Kongers are likely to achieve more for the world - from UK rather than from authoritarian China. The fate of Hong Kong, specifically, is not that important.

apexalpha 6y ago

>(where are the EU nations on this?) They're silent. It's not their ex-colony and, very sorry to say it like this, but HK isn't worth angering China over.