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„... pressing ahead with government plans after he said his family was insulted online“ That’s how you frame your readers. The author doesn’t know whether ther

„... pressing ahead with government plans after he said his family was insulted online“ That’s how you frame your readers. The author doesn’t know whether there’s causal relation between the possible insult and the plans to control the social platforms. But this is how media tricks the readers in thinking so.

jkinudsjknds 6y ago
He literally referenced the insults as a justification for his actions. So no, this is not media deceptiveness. Quotes from a different article: > "“Do you see why we oppose social media like YouTube, Twitter, Netflix, et cetera.?” Erdogan asked in reference to the alleged insults of his family members. “It is imperative that these channels are brought under control.” > Erdogan said: “Turkey is not a banana republic. We will snub those who snub this country’s executive and judicial bodies.”"
- blumomo 6y ago
  Still, no evidence of causal relation between insulting his family and the decision to control social platforms.
hetspookjee 6y ago
Is it? Isn't this plain reporting of the events in the sequence that they occured? It's all too often that the media frames things a certain way but I'm having difficulty agreeing with you here.
- lki876 6y ago
  The "journalist" could have picked any two events. Picking these to make it seem there is causation without proof.
  - learc83 6y ago
    That's not what's happening here. There's as much proof as you can have without reading the mind of Erdogan. He had entire press conference where he referenced the attacks as justification for regulating social media. "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." This also comes after arresting and detaining several social media users for tweeting the insults.
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learc83 6y ago
> The author doesn’t know whether there’s causal relation between the possible insult and the plans to control the social platforms. I don't know--seems pretty clear to me. “Do you see why we oppose social media like YouTube, Twitter, Netflix, etc...?” Erdogan asked in reference to the alleged insults of his family members. “It is imperative that these channels are brought under control.” Again in reference to the insults: "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control."
- blumomo 6y ago
  In your quotations there's nothing about any insult to his family. That means a causal relation isn't yet proven.
  - learc83 6y ago
    He was being asked directly about the insults. >"We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." The "similar attacks", and the "immoral behavior" are direct references to insults against him and his family on social media. These are from the Al Jazeera translation of the press conference if you don't trust the AP: "Erdogan said investigations were under way against those who "attacked" his family by "abusing a newborn". "We will keep chasing these cowards who attack a family and the values they believe represented by them through a baby." "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." Please stop being deliberately obtuse.
    - blumomo 6y ago
      No need to be insulting yourself. I was asking for evidence of the personal attacks and you listed them. The AP should have added then that a newborn was insulted instead of referring to „his family“. Someone who insults a baby must be quiet foolish. There seems to be a heating debate! At least Turkey got some balls and they talk openly about Adrenochrome in the main stream news, can’t be that bad their censorship. In other countries and on Youtube you get deleted and insulted when talking about child abuse. It’s easy to point on other people and label them censorship when you should instead point the finger on your own media.

jkinudsjknds 6y ago

He literally referenced the insults as a justification for his actions. So no, this is not media deceptiveness. Quotes from a different article: > "“Do you see why we oppose social media like YouTube, Twitter, Netflix, et cetera.?” Erdogan asked in reference to the alleged insults of his family members. “It is imperative that these channels are brought under control.” > Erdogan said: “Turkey is not a banana republic. We will snub those who snub this country’s executive and judicial bodies.”"

blumomo 6y ago
Still, no evidence of causal relation between insulting his family and the decision to control social platforms.

hetspookjee 6y ago

Is it? Isn't this plain reporting of the events in the sequence that they occured? It's all too often that the media frames things a certain way but I'm having difficulty agreeing with you here.

lki876 6y ago
The "journalist" could have picked any two events. Picking these to make it seem there is causation without proof.
- learc83 6y ago
  That's not what's happening here. There's as much proof as you can have without reading the mind of Erdogan. He had entire press conference where he referenced the attacks as justification for regulating social media. "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." This also comes after arresting and detaining several social media users for tweeting the insults.

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learc83 6y ago

> The author doesn’t know whether there’s causal relation between the possible insult and the plans to control the social platforms. I don't know--seems pretty clear to me. “Do you see why we oppose social media like YouTube, Twitter, Netflix, etc...?” Erdogan asked in reference to the alleged insults of his family members. “It is imperative that these channels are brought under control.” Again in reference to the insults: "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control."

blumomo 6y ago
In your quotations there's nothing about any insult to his family. That means a causal relation isn't yet proven.
- learc83 6y ago
  He was being asked directly about the insults. >"We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." The "similar attacks", and the "immoral behavior" are direct references to insults against him and his family on social media. These are from the Al Jazeera translation of the press conference if you don't trust the AP: "Erdogan said investigations were under way against those who "attacked" his family by "abusing a newborn". "We will keep chasing these cowards who attack a family and the values they believe represented by them through a baby." "We experienced similar attacks in the past. The lack of monitoring on these platforms have a role in the rise of this sort of immoral behaviour. These platforms do not suit this country. We want these platforms to be banned, taken under control." Please stop being deliberately obtuse.
  - blumomo 6y ago
    No need to be insulting yourself. I was asking for evidence of the personal attacks and you listed them. The AP should have added then that a newborn was insulted instead of referring to „his family“. Someone who insults a baby must be quiet foolish. There seems to be a heating debate! At least Turkey got some balls and they talk openly about Adrenochrome in the main stream news, can’t be that bad their censorship. In other countries and on Youtube you get deleted and insulted when talking about child abuse. It’s easy to point on other people and label them censorship when you should instead point the finger on your own media.