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Only a brahmin would point out that he is brahmin TWICE in his comment. We know that you are a brahmin and feel 'proud' of your caste. You sir, are the reason w

Only a brahmin would point out that he is brahmin TWICE in his comment. We know that you are a brahmin and feel 'proud' of your caste. You sir, are the reason why casteism exists in India.

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entha_saava 6y ago
That's a disclaimer, someone may miss that 'some of us' part while reading and think I am saying that as an outsider. You are the anti-brahmin hypocrite generalizing your experience with some of them to blame them. People like you are why there is still lot of SJW bullshit in India. A person with ½ of my competetive exam scores, and double the income easily gets a seat in NIT because reservation based on caste. The generalization that all upper caste people are oppressors and all lower caste people are oppressed is wrong. You might have had some bad interactions in your life because of rampant discrimination, which are apparently there in many parts of India, and I feel sorry for you. But please don't generalize. > Only a brahmin would point out that he is brahmin TWICE in his comment. We know that you are a brahmin and feel 'proud' of your caste. Note that I also mentioned agriculturist community twice in the comment. Well I am proud (more appropriately grateful) that I grew in a remote rural area with only sufficient access to education and not much (there is some) politics like this. Edit: I wrote 'ranking' but actually meant 'score'.
- randomguy2379 6y ago
  For over 2 millenia dalits were not even allowed to enter schools or gain education. Ambedkar was famously the only dalit student in his school. If dalits and other lower castes were not allowed to enter schools for more than a thousand years , then doesn't that mean that brahmins and other upper castes had 100% reservation in education for more than a thousand years? Why complain about reservation now when it was you guys who started it?
  - entha_saava 6y ago
    > For over 2 millenia dalits were not even allowed to enter schools or gain education. I agree. But reservation as it is in practice currently is rather a knee jerk reaction and not a scientific system. The problem with all these SJW "empowerment" plans is they empower the people who are already empowered. A retired judge told that the only way to ensure reservation won't be misused is restricting it to one member in one family, and I agree with that, or even restricting reservation to those with less income. The problem with second approach is people easily fake income in income certificates. The misuse of reservation system is why there is lot of complaints against it, even for people who would score a low amount in tests, reservation would become a scapegoat when the other person with similar economical status gets a job or seat in good college with similar scores. And your generalization isn't true either. My dad learned till 4th standard, which is almost the average in the area regardless of the caste. My grandmother told she didn't go to school, and I have not seen my grandfather to ask how much he studied. At this point, you may consider me biased because I don't know about harsh realities in other regions. But keep the data point.
    - mako254 6y ago
      This is the biggest fallacy peddled by upper castes against reservation/quotas and to deny that caste discrimination in India. Reservations in India are not meant to equalize income or opportunities among the castes. They are meant to keep the government machinery unbiased against the 'lower' castes through representation - so that their services are not biased against lower caste citizens. It has nothing to do with the economic status of the reserved castes. Why is it needed? Precisely because of the type of incidents explained in the news article. It's extremely common for dalit officers to be harassed and denied opportunity by upper caste groups playing politics. Same goes for recruitment. This is far more common than the incidents where a reserved category person is promoted without merit. Just imagine how prevalent that is in India if they are willing to take such toxic practices to a corporation in US. That my friend, is the harsh reality. I didn't want that whitewashing narrative to go unchallenged here.
      - entha_saava 6y ago
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  > A person with ½ of my competetive exam scores, and double the income easily gets a seat in NIT because reservation based on caste. The generalization that all upper caste people are oppressors and all lower caste people are oppressed is wrong. Just wait for it. Even certain 'upper castes' have now started getting reservation and getting a seat on a merit in the open category is only going to get more difficult. Certain states have already crossed the 50% reservation limit set by the Supreme court[1][2][3]. So much for Supreme court's power. While this has happened at the state level, it's only a matter of time that these demands will go to the national level. 1. https://www.news18.com/news/india/reservation-for-economically-weaker-upper-castes-would-violate-50-limit-1994623.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/reservation-for-economical... 2. https://www.thequint.com/news/india/mapping-quotas-how-indian-states-provide-over-60-reservation https://www.thequint.com/news/india/mapping-quotas-how-india... 3. https://m.timesofindia.com/t10-nov-30-2018/1-what-happened-to-supreme-courts-50-reservation-rule/articleshow/66869419.cms3 https://m.timesofindia.com/t10-nov-30-2018/1-what-happened-t....
  - entha_saava 6y ago
    Well they stopped going against reservation and started demanding some percentage for themselves.. peak social justice /s That doesn't really help. Even Modi's so called "10% reservation for general merit" scheme is a cheap votebank trick. With income limits as high as 8 Lakh, it is just like taking 9.9% and giving 10%.
- dang 6y ago
  > You are the anti-brahmin hypocrite [...] People like you are why Please do not cross into personal attack, even when provoked, and do not take the thread further into flamewar even when baited. Doing those things only makes the thread even worse. And actually the bulk of this thread, when I looked at it last night, was doing relatively well considering the difficulty of the topic.
dang 6y ago
That crossed into personal attack and is not ok. I appreciate the experiences that you've been sharing in your other comments, but you provoked a flamewar in this case and should not have done that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Only a brahmin would point out that he is brahmin TWICE in his comment. We know that you are a brahmin and feel 'proud' of your caste. You sir, are the reason why casteism exists in India.

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entha_saava 6y ago

That's a disclaimer, someone may miss that 'some of us' part while reading and think I am saying that as an outsider. You are the anti-brahmin hypocrite generalizing your experience with some of them to blame them. People like you are why there is still lot of SJW bullshit in India. A person with ½ of my competetive exam scores, and double the income easily gets a seat in NIT because reservation based on caste. The generalization that all upper caste people are oppressors and all lower caste people are oppressed is wrong. You might have had some bad interactions in your life because of rampant discrimination, which are apparently there in many parts of India, and I feel sorry for you. But please don't generalize. > Only a brahmin would point out that he is brahmin TWICE in his comment. We know that you are a brahmin and feel 'proud' of your caste. Note that I also mentioned agriculturist community twice in the comment. Well I am proud (more appropriately grateful) that I grew in a remote rural area with only sufficient access to education and not much (there is some) politics like this. Edit: I wrote 'ranking' but actually meant 'score'.

randomguy2379 6y ago
For over 2 millenia dalits were not even allowed to enter schools or gain education. Ambedkar was famously the only dalit student in his school. If dalits and other lower castes were not allowed to enter schools for more than a thousand years , then doesn't that mean that brahmins and other upper castes had 100% reservation in education for more than a thousand years? Why complain about reservation now when it was you guys who started it?
- entha_saava 6y ago
  > For over 2 millenia dalits were not even allowed to enter schools or gain education. I agree. But reservation as it is in practice currently is rather a knee jerk reaction and not a scientific system. The problem with all these SJW "empowerment" plans is they empower the people who are already empowered. A retired judge told that the only way to ensure reservation won't be misused is restricting it to one member in one family, and I agree with that, or even restricting reservation to those with less income. The problem with second approach is people easily fake income in income certificates. The misuse of reservation system is why there is lot of complaints against it, even for people who would score a low amount in tests, reservation would become a scapegoat when the other person with similar economical status gets a job or seat in good college with similar scores. And your generalization isn't true either. My dad learned till 4th standard, which is almost the average in the area regardless of the caste. My grandmother told she didn't go to school, and I have not seen my grandfather to ask how much he studied. At this point, you may consider me biased because I don't know about harsh realities in other regions. But keep the data point.
  - mako254 6y ago
    This is the biggest fallacy peddled by upper castes against reservation/quotas and to deny that caste discrimination in India. Reservations in India are not meant to equalize income or opportunities among the castes. They are meant to keep the government machinery unbiased against the 'lower' castes through representation - so that their services are not biased against lower caste citizens. It has nothing to do with the economic status of the reserved castes. Why is it needed? Precisely because of the type of incidents explained in the news article. It's extremely common for dalit officers to be harassed and denied opportunity by upper caste groups playing politics. Same goes for recruitment. This is far more common than the incidents where a reserved category person is promoted without merit. Just imagine how prevalent that is in India if they are willing to take such toxic practices to a corporation in US. That my friend, is the harsh reality. I didn't want that whitewashing narrative to go unchallenged here.
    - entha_saava 6y ago
sbmthakur 6y ago
> A person with ½ of my competetive exam scores, and double the income easily gets a seat in NIT because reservation based on caste. The generalization that all upper caste people are oppressors and all lower caste people are oppressed is wrong. Just wait for it. Even certain 'upper castes' have now started getting reservation and getting a seat on a merit in the open category is only going to get more difficult. Certain states have already crossed the 50% reservation limit set by the Supreme court[1][2][3]. So much for Supreme court's power. While this has happened at the state level, it's only a matter of time that these demands will go to the national level. 1. https://www.news18.com/news/india/reservation-for-economically-weaker-upper-castes-would-violate-50-limit-1994623.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/reservation-for-economical... 2. https://www.thequint.com/news/india/mapping-quotas-how-indian-states-provide-over-60-reservation https://www.thequint.com/news/india/mapping-quotas-how-india... 3. https://m.timesofindia.com/t10-nov-30-2018/1-what-happened-to-supreme-courts-50-reservation-rule/articleshow/66869419.cms3 https://m.timesofindia.com/t10-nov-30-2018/1-what-happened-t....
- entha_saava 6y ago
  Well they stopped going against reservation and started demanding some percentage for themselves.. peak social justice /s That doesn't really help. Even Modi's so called "10% reservation for general merit" scheme is a cheap votebank trick. With income limits as high as 8 Lakh, it is just like taking 9.9% and giving 10%.
dang 6y ago
> You are the anti-brahmin hypocrite [...] People like you are why Please do not cross into personal attack, even when provoked, and do not take the thread further into flamewar even when baited. Doing those things only makes the thread even worse. And actually the bulk of this thread, when I looked at it last night, was doing relatively well considering the difficulty of the topic.

dang 6y ago

That crossed into personal attack and is not ok. I appreciate the experiences that you've been sharing in your other comments, but you provoked a flamewar in this case and should not have done that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html