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> A major problem with #1 is it becomes self-perpetuating and reinforcing: if everyone is going to be biased against you, you're going to do worse, and hence th
by tomp 6y ago
> A major problem with #1 is it becomes self-perpetuating and reinforcing: if everyone is going to be biased against you, you're going to do worse, and hence the models are validated/more models are created with these assumptions. Everyone using #1 may improve their own expected value at the expense of a worse outcome for society as a whole.
Do you have any proof of that? The world is improving on all levels, even the income gap between blacks and whites has been narrowing [1].
We're not talking about 100% segregated populations like during slavery or patriarchy, the means between the groups are very close and there's a huge overlap between the distributions. It's obvious that the vast majority of outcome isn't determined by race (otherwise you couldn't have white homeless addicts and black presidents) or any such "group" characteristic but instead by "individual" characteristics (skill, intelligence, drive, effort, hereditary wealth, chance, ...), so the evidence for this "self-perpetuating" unfairness is very weak.
[1] https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/psdt-07-12_economic_inequality-00-06/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality... but you'll have to manually calculate the percentages
- mlyle 6y ago> [1] https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality.. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality.... but you'll have to manually calculate the percentages I'm completely overwhelmed by your evidence of median black income moving from 59% of whites in 1970 to 65% in 2016, and appearing to not change substantively in the last 15 years of the dataset. If the overall trend continues, we'll reach parity in another 269 years. And it hardly has been happening in a world where considering race and proxies of race is considered "OK". This is an absolutely comical piece of evidence you advance to try and justify your view.