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.Net programmers are largely Enterprise programmers whom are not constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace. For the reco

.Net programmers are largely Enterprise programmers whom are not constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace. For the record, I think it's irrelevant.. but absolutely I think it's true. It doesn't mean .NET isn't capable, or that lots of .NET programmers aren't capable... Just that .NET is way more popular in the enterprise than on the web, and that the work that gets done at most of those enterprise shops wouldn't fly on large sites. It may be popular to pretend that the .NET camp (and to a slightly lesser extent, the Java Enterprise one) doesn't bend this way statistically, but they do.

recoiledsnake 16y ago
So PHP developers are "constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace"? (Facebook had to a TON of stuff to make it scale). Ruby developers? (Ref: Twitter) Java developers? I think only HTML programmers are the only ones who are constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace.
- famousactress 16y ago
  Haha. Excellent point about HTML programmers. Also, it's probably fair to say that as a whole programmers are 'largely' not used to thinking or working in a way that's productive at scale. I didn't argue otherwise. I just suggested that the percentage of developers in the .NET community who are aligned with values, knowledge, and experience essential to scaling a large site.. is smaller than many other platforms... Yes, I'd argue smaller than all of the ones you mentioned.
sofuture 16y ago
Do you use .Net or are you familiar with the .Net community? Or are you basing your opinions on your lack of familiarity with it?
- famousactress 16y ago
  I worked professionally on .NET very early on it's in existence, for a couple of years. Before that I was a COM developer for a couple of years... since then I've done 8+ years in Java shops, and now I'm a full time python dev. Most of my career has been in the enterprise space. The last couple of years have been in web. Most of my familiarity with the .NET community comes from the fact that I live/work in San Diego, and in the Healthcare IT space... if the combination of which don't make up the largest percentage of .NET developers in a particular area and arena, it must be close :) So most of my experience with the .NET community comes from knowing developers and working with .NET-turned-Java folks... It's true, I haven't done .NET in a very long time. That said, I made the same assertion (to a slightly lesser extent) about the Java Enterprise camp.. and I've got loads of experience with that :)
nikcub 16y ago
> Just that .NET is way more popular in the enterprise than on the web It is a fallacy to think that the web is the only large network that requires scale. Goldman Sachs alone stores more data than the entire web The Visa network has had 4 seconds of downtime in decades Most airline systems took decades to engineer
- danudey 16y ago
  According to this link (after a few seconds of googling), Visa's network was down for 8 minutes in the five years ending 2001. Do you have citations for any of your claims? Edit: Oops, here's the link: http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0916/038.html http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0916/038.html
  - nikcub 16y ago
    The Visa figure I heard at the Computer History Museum years ago, it was first decades so that may have changed. Goldman Sachs told me when I was writing a proposal for them years ago that they have over a petabyte of data stored. The web is 80-200TB depending on who you ask. A single department there responsible for the program based trading would alone have an entire copy of the web (and parts of the deep web, and all of twitter, etc.) since they construct those whack trading apps that suck everything up and analyze it for signals. If there are any quants on here they could tell you about this more. The airline system I was referring to is SABRE. Early IBM was built on their rollouts and we are talking about the 50s. V interesting story, lots of references from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre_(computer_system)#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre_(computer_system)#History
    - rms 16y ago
      The web is only 200TB? That seems wrong by orders of magnitude to me. Maybe you mean Google's publicly indexed web?
      - nikcub 16y ago
        well yes, indexed web - otherwise it would be all the data everywhere bar a few nuclear facilities.

recoiledsnake 16y ago

So PHP developers are "constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace"? (Facebook had to a TON of stuff to make it scale). Ruby developers? (Ref: Twitter) Java developers? I think only HTML programmers are the only ones who are constitutionally constructed to create large scalable websites at a startup pace.

famousactress 16y ago
Haha. Excellent point about HTML programmers. Also, it's probably fair to say that as a whole programmers are 'largely' not used to thinking or working in a way that's productive at scale. I didn't argue otherwise. I just suggested that the percentage of developers in the .NET community who are aligned with values, knowledge, and experience essential to scaling a large site.. is smaller than many other platforms... Yes, I'd argue smaller than all of the ones you mentioned.

sofuture 16y ago

Do you use .Net or are you familiar with the .Net community? Or are you basing your opinions on your lack of familiarity with it?

famousactress 16y ago
I worked professionally on .NET very early on it's in existence, for a couple of years. Before that I was a COM developer for a couple of years... since then I've done 8+ years in Java shops, and now I'm a full time python dev. Most of my career has been in the enterprise space. The last couple of years have been in web. Most of my familiarity with the .NET community comes from the fact that I live/work in San Diego, and in the Healthcare IT space... if the combination of which don't make up the largest percentage of .NET developers in a particular area and arena, it must be close :) So most of my experience with the .NET community comes from knowing developers and working with .NET-turned-Java folks... It's true, I haven't done .NET in a very long time. That said, I made the same assertion (to a slightly lesser extent) about the Java Enterprise camp.. and I've got loads of experience with that :)

nikcub 16y ago

> Just that .NET is way more popular in the enterprise than on the web It is a fallacy to think that the web is the only large network that requires scale. Goldman Sachs alone stores more data than the entire web The Visa network has had 4 seconds of downtime in decades Most airline systems took decades to engineer

danudey 16y ago
According to this link (after a few seconds of googling), Visa's network was down for 8 minutes in the five years ending 2001. Do you have citations for any of your claims? Edit: Oops, here's the link: http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0916/038.html http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0916/038.html
- nikcub 16y ago
  The Visa figure I heard at the Computer History Museum years ago, it was first decades so that may have changed. Goldman Sachs told me when I was writing a proposal for them years ago that they have over a petabyte of data stored. The web is 80-200TB depending on who you ask. A single department there responsible for the program based trading would alone have an entire copy of the web (and parts of the deep web, and all of twitter, etc.) since they construct those whack trading apps that suck everything up and analyze it for signals. If there are any quants on here they could tell you about this more. The airline system I was referring to is SABRE. Early IBM was built on their rollouts and we are talking about the 50s. V interesting story, lots of references from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre_(computer_system)#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre_(computer_system)#History
  - rms 16y ago
    The web is only 200TB? That seems wrong by orders of magnitude to me. Maybe you mean Google's publicly indexed web?
    - nikcub 16y ago
      well yes, indexed web - otherwise it would be all the data everywhere bar a few nuclear facilities.