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The problem here is that police are not infallible but everyone wants them to be. If there is violence in humanity you would be naive to think police would be e

by readme 6y ago

The problem here is that police are not infallible but everyone wants them to be. If there is violence in humanity you would be naive to think police would be exempted from it. That is why I don't like coverage like this: why not also catalog some of the good things police do? That wouldn't further your point, so why would you do it?

seth_tr 6y ago
The police don't acknowledge that these were mistake[1][2][3]. They think this is the system working. They act in bad faith and so please don't run around grant them good faith in arguments. We want the systems that enable this brutality changed. This is like saying "Facebook does some good things so let's ignore the systematic problems it causes" or "Facebook is staffed by people so we have to accept an amount of them stalking their exes with internal tools" [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-protester-unrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-p... "Fifty-seven officers resigned from the department’s Emergency Response Team in solidarity with the two who were suspended." [2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436929/Atlanta-cops-no-work-today-city-claims-handle-911-calls.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436929/Atlanta-cop... [3] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/why-police-rally-around-each-other-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/why-police-rally-around-ea...
- readme 6y ago
  Why not go find me three links to instances where the police did acknowledge their mistakes?
  - seth_tr 6y ago
    I searched google for "police acknowledgement mistake" and several variations. The closest I could find was people calling for the police to acknowledge their mistakes. I can't find the police doing it themselves.
    - readme 6y ago
      thanks for the due dilligence edit: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police%20admit%20to%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police%20admit%20to%22 170,000 results
      - ZeikJT 6y ago
        I think a better link is probably: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police+admit+to%22&tbs=qdr:m https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police+admit+to%22&tbs=qd... Though it doesn't give a number of results explicitly there are still several pages of results (though they'd need to be deduped)
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phonypc 6y ago
If you look at these things and see the inevitable result of fallible humans, not the willful abuse of power, I'd argue you're not really paying attention.
- readme 6y ago
  This speaks to me, but I'm not 100% persuaded yet.

by readme 6y ago

seth_tr 6y ago

The police don't acknowledge that these were mistake[1][2][3]. They think this is the system working. They act in bad faith and so please don't run around grant them good faith in arguments. We want the systems that enable this brutality changed. This is like saying "Facebook does some good things so let's ignore the systematic problems it causes" or "Facebook is staffed by people so we have to accept an amount of them stalking their exes with internal tools" [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-protester-unrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-p... "Fifty-seven officers resigned from the department’s Emergency Response Team in solidarity with the two who were suspended." [2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436929/Atlanta-cops-no-work-today-city-claims-handle-911-calls.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436929/Atlanta-cop... [3] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/why-police-rally-around-each-other-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/why-police-rally-around-ea...

readme 6y ago
Why not go find me three links to instances where the police did acknowledge their mistakes?
- seth_tr 6y ago
  I searched google for "police acknowledgement mistake" and several variations. The closest I could find was people calling for the police to acknowledge their mistakes. I can't find the police doing it themselves.
  - readme 6y ago
    thanks for the due dilligence edit: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police%20admit%20to%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police%20admit%20to%22 170,000 results
    - ZeikJT 6y ago
      I think a better link is probably: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police+admit+to%22&tbs=qdr:m https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police+admit+to%22&tbs=qd... Though it doesn't give a number of results explicitly there are still several pages of results (though they'd need to be deduped)
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phonypc 6y ago

If you look at these things and see the inevitable result of fallible humans, not the willful abuse of power, I'd argue you're not really paying attention.

readme 6y ago
This speaks to me, but I'm not 100% persuaded yet.