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It only takes a few minutes of use and comparison to understand that today's LibreOffice doesn't even come close to touching the level of polish and user-friend

It only takes a few minutes of use and comparison to understand that today's LibreOffice doesn't even come close to touching the level of polish and user-friendliness of Word 98 (Mac) or Word 97 (Windows).

ImprovedSilence 6y ago
yeah but their spreadsheet blows the pants off of whatever garbage macOS trys to pass off as an Excel replacement.
- karoofish 6y ago
  macOS, being an operating system does not have spreadsheet. If you looking for a spreadsheet on macOS, Microsoft Office is available and provides Excel.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_(spreadsheet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_(spreadsheet)
    - vetinari 6y ago
      To be fair, Numbers/Pages/Keynote, as well as Garageband and iMovie are not a part of macOS. Yes, they come preinstalled with a new Mac, but if you do a clean installaction, they will be missing. You will have to reinstall them from App Store.
- stOneskull 6y ago
  the libreoffice spreadsheet is very good. i think it's psychic sometimes, knowing what i want to do.
grawprog 6y ago
I'm guessing this whole section of the thread went over a few people's heads....hn always does have a bit of a problem detecting ironic sarcasm...
- notkaiho 6y ago
  And yet I've seen more than one thread comment say the humanities and media literacy are "not worth teaching"
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  I wasn't being sarcastic. I still use Word 97 for writing, because in Word 97, it always takes me two keystrokes to save a new document (Ctrl+S, Enter), whlie in LibreOffice it is an exercise in frustration, because every new document is titled Untitled 1, and that causes a problem when I've already saved Untitled 1. This is just one example of a basic feature, used on a regular basis, which has obviously been tested thoroughly by the Office 97 developers, but has seemingly barely received any attention from LibreOffice. I use a very basic laptop, and through the wonders of virtualization have a Windows ME VM with Office 97 on it, and it runs just as fast as LibreOffice does natively, if not faster. In a VM, being used for an hour or two at a time, Win ME has no stability issues. Win ME came with IE 5.5, and I eventually upgraded it to 6.0. Because I built my site to be compatible with both, I can easily copy and paste what I wrote into my blog. Office 97 and IE 6.0 support Unicode well enough that I can do all this in two different character sets. I rarely print anything, and I'd probably still use LibreOffice for that. But if I really wanted to, I could probably figure out how to print, too. The Win 9x series is remembered for being unstable and crashy, but I think it's also a marvel of engineering and UI design. And when you take away malware, random utilities, registry decay, hardware malfunctions, and so on, it's a comfortable, almost typewriter-like experience.
  - grawprog 6y ago
    Whoops my bad. I was reading all the other comments here in response to this and I responded to yours. I can't disagree. Older versions of word were a lot more stable than newer versions. About the Ctrl-s thing, maybe it's specific to windows, I use libre office on linux and have for years and Ctrl-s on a new document has always brought up the save-as dialog for me. Either way, I'd rather use an older version of word or libreoffice over new versions of office. I grew up using older windows, I don't really remember it being overly good or bad, it just kind of was. I remember lots of crashes, but used to do a lot of things I probably shouldn't have been and I do remember it working for everything I tried to do so I don't really have any complaints really. I don't really have any fond nostalgia either though to be honest. I stopped using windows entirely outside work over a decade ago so none of it really matters all that much to me.
jacobolus 6y ago
And sadly, both Word 98 and Word 2019 (any platform) are still far behind Word 5.1 (Mac; 1992).

ImprovedSilence 6y ago

yeah but their spreadsheet blows the pants off of whatever garbage macOS trys to pass off as an Excel replacement.

karoofish 6y ago
macOS, being an operating system does not have spreadsheet. If you looking for a spreadsheet on macOS, Microsoft Office is available and provides Excel.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_(spreadsheet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_(spreadsheet)
  - vetinari 6y ago
    To be fair, Numbers/Pages/Keynote, as well as Garageband and iMovie are not a part of macOS. Yes, they come preinstalled with a new Mac, but if you do a clean installaction, they will be missing. You will have to reinstall them from App Store.
stOneskull 6y ago
the libreoffice spreadsheet is very good. i think it's psychic sometimes, knowing what i want to do.

grawprog 6y ago

I'm guessing this whole section of the thread went over a few people's heads....hn always does have a bit of a problem detecting ironic sarcasm...

notkaiho 6y ago
And yet I've seen more than one thread comment say the humanities and media literacy are "not worth teaching"
forgotmypw17 6y ago
I wasn't being sarcastic. I still use Word 97 for writing, because in Word 97, it always takes me two keystrokes to save a new document (Ctrl+S, Enter), whlie in LibreOffice it is an exercise in frustration, because every new document is titled Untitled 1, and that causes a problem when I've already saved Untitled 1. This is just one example of a basic feature, used on a regular basis, which has obviously been tested thoroughly by the Office 97 developers, but has seemingly barely received any attention from LibreOffice. I use a very basic laptop, and through the wonders of virtualization have a Windows ME VM with Office 97 on it, and it runs just as fast as LibreOffice does natively, if not faster. In a VM, being used for an hour or two at a time, Win ME has no stability issues. Win ME came with IE 5.5, and I eventually upgraded it to 6.0. Because I built my site to be compatible with both, I can easily copy and paste what I wrote into my blog. Office 97 and IE 6.0 support Unicode well enough that I can do all this in two different character sets. I rarely print anything, and I'd probably still use LibreOffice for that. But if I really wanted to, I could probably figure out how to print, too. The Win 9x series is remembered for being unstable and crashy, but I think it's also a marvel of engineering and UI design. And when you take away malware, random utilities, registry decay, hardware malfunctions, and so on, it's a comfortable, almost typewriter-like experience.
- grawprog 6y ago
  Whoops my bad. I was reading all the other comments here in response to this and I responded to yours. I can't disagree. Older versions of word were a lot more stable than newer versions. About the Ctrl-s thing, maybe it's specific to windows, I use libre office on linux and have for years and Ctrl-s on a new document has always brought up the save-as dialog for me. Either way, I'd rather use an older version of word or libreoffice over new versions of office. I grew up using older windows, I don't really remember it being overly good or bad, it just kind of was. I remember lots of crashes, but used to do a lot of things I probably shouldn't have been and I do remember it working for everything I tried to do so I don't really have any complaints really. I don't really have any fond nostalgia either though to be honest. I stopped using windows entirely outside work over a decade ago so none of it really matters all that much to me.

jacobolus 6y ago

And sadly, both Word 98 and Word 2019 (any platform) are still far behind Word 5.1 (Mac; 1992).