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I liked Bengio's take on this (plus much more) on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hiv3vf/d_the_machine_learning_community_has_a_toxici

I liked Bengio's take on this (plus much more) on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hiv3vf/d_the_machine_learning_community_has_a_toxicity/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hiv3vf/d_t...

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
Note that the poster of that thread is not Yoshua Bengio, it's someone with the reddit handle "yusuf-bengio"; a very misleading username.
- KKKKkkkk1 6y ago
  It's a pun username. I don't think it's a misleading username. The poster actually refers to Bengio in the third person. And he makes some very good points.
  - AlexCoventry 6y ago
    It's misleading to refer to them as "Bengio," on HN, in this context. It definitely created a false impression for me.
ipunchghosts 6y ago
This isn't the person u think it is.
Myce 6y ago
In that Reddit thread the topic starter mentions that his CS faculty has a diversity issue. According to the Reddit TS because 30% of undergrads and 15% of the professors are women. I was triggered by that and wanted to comment on it because I can imagine specific parts of CS are currently so new, evolving and hard to master that I can hardly imagine that diversity is considered an issue. I can imagine society should already be happy with anyone who is able to complete an university CS study.These studies often require a specific mindset, passion and probably also a specific 'beta' brain. I might be totally misunderstanding diversity anyway, but in my eyes all society can do is provide equal opportunities to everyone and the outcome can be a result of other factors. In some specific industries like healthcare (specially nurses) and childcare the far majority is women. That is not because men don't have the opportunity to become one, but there are other factors that create this specific outcome where men are outnumbered. In e.g. construction the majority is men. Also here women have the opportunity to get such a job, but women probably less likely apply for heavily physical construction jobs because of different physical conditions. Therefore I think diversity itself should never be a goal, but making sure that _everyone_ gets equal chances/opportunities should be? And then accept the outcome. In case of the Reddit TS it seems improvements on equal opportunities could perhaps be made on how is dealt with paternal leaves. And once we can

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago

Note that the poster of that thread is not Yoshua Bengio, it's someone with the reddit handle "yusuf-bengio"; a very misleading username.

KKKKkkkk1 6y ago
It's a pun username. I don't think it's a misleading username. The poster actually refers to Bengio in the third person. And he makes some very good points.
- AlexCoventry 6y ago
  It's misleading to refer to them as "Bengio," on HN, in this context. It definitely created a false impression for me.

ipunchghosts 6y ago

This isn't the person u think it is.

Myce 6y ago

In that Reddit thread the topic starter mentions that his CS faculty has a diversity issue. According to the Reddit TS because 30% of undergrads and 15% of the professors are women. I was triggered by that and wanted to comment on it because I can imagine specific parts of CS are currently so new, evolving and hard to master that I can hardly imagine that diversity is considered an issue. I can imagine society should already be happy with anyone who is able to complete an university CS study.These studies often require a specific mindset, passion and probably also a specific 'beta' brain. I might be totally misunderstanding diversity anyway, but in my eyes all society can do is provide equal opportunities to everyone and the outcome can be a result of other factors. In some specific industries like healthcare (specially nurses) and childcare the far majority is women. That is not because men don't have the opportunity to become one, but there are other factors that create this specific outcome where men are outnumbered. In e.g. construction the majority is men. Also here women have the opportunity to get such a job, but women probably less likely apply for heavily physical construction jobs because of different physical conditions. Therefore I think diversity itself should never be a goal, but making sure that _everyone_ gets equal chances/opportunities should be? And then accept the outcome. In case of the Reddit TS it seems improvements on equal opportunities could perhaps be made on how is dealt with paternal leaves. And once we can