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Serious question: do you think that police officers should have to accept themselves to getting hurt as part of their job? Meaning, that it's actually an expect

Serious question: do you think that police officers should have to accept themselves to getting hurt as part of their job? Meaning, that it's actually an expectation the public has of police officers that they will get hurt if someone is fighting with them. To me, that seems like the inevitable consequence of not quickly taking control using decisive force. That's the issue I think exists with 1:1.1 response. It doesn't stop the unlawful behavior. No?

seemack 6y ago
You seem to be misconstruing people's condemnation of the police use of force. The condemnation is due to the police not responding with force appropriately. My interpretation is that the majority of people are simply responding to the trend of police responding with extreme violence more and more readily in situations which absolutely do not require it.
Uehreka 6y ago
We can talk about that when they get down to like, 3x to 5x force. Right now we are seeing video after video of cops tear gassing civilians for throwing empty water bottles at them, running over civilians using SUVs for "refusing to disperse" and knocking out old folks who are going "Hey man, what if this is a bad idea though?". The ratio right now is so high, the kinds of conversations you may want to have aren't even relevant.
int_19h 6y ago
Much of the evidence we're seeing has absolutely nothing to do with "getting hurt as part of their job". At the most extreme, there are cases of bean bags and rubber bullets fired at people filming the police from inside their own homes though closed windows.
no_multitudes 6y ago
Yes, obviously? Of course they are going to get hurt doing their job. A lot of their job involves performing odd manuevers in traffic, for example. Do you have a suggestion for how to do policework without police officers ever having to accept the possibility of getting hurt?
ciceryadam 6y ago
I would say that "quickly taking control using decisive force" is part of the problem, this approach is often escalating problems instead of deescalating them.

seemack 6y ago

You seem to be misconstruing people's condemnation of the police use of force. The condemnation is due to the police not responding with force appropriately. My interpretation is that the majority of people are simply responding to the trend of police responding with extreme violence more and more readily in situations which absolutely do not require it.

Uehreka 6y ago

We can talk about that when they get down to like, 3x to 5x force. Right now we are seeing video after video of cops tear gassing civilians for throwing empty water bottles at them, running over civilians using SUVs for "refusing to disperse" and knocking out old folks who are going "Hey man, what if this is a bad idea though?". The ratio right now is so high, the kinds of conversations you may want to have aren't even relevant.

int_19h 6y ago

Much of the evidence we're seeing has absolutely nothing to do with "getting hurt as part of their job". At the most extreme, there are cases of bean bags and rubber bullets fired at people filming the police from inside their own homes though closed windows.

no_multitudes 6y ago

Yes, obviously? Of course they are going to get hurt doing their job. A lot of their job involves performing odd manuevers in traffic, for example. Do you have a suggestion for how to do policework without police officers ever having to accept the possibility of getting hurt?

ciceryadam 6y ago

I would say that "quickly taking control using decisive force" is part of the problem, this approach is often escalating problems instead of deescalating them.