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Do you still trust the CDC? One unfortunate side effect of the pandemic is that my trust in the CDC went from absolute to non-existent. They’ve shown themselves

Do you still trust the CDC? One unfortunate side effect of the pandemic is that my trust in the CDC went from absolute to non-existent. They’ve shown themselves willing to bend to politics instead of siding with science.

1996 6y ago
Same for me. No more vaccines until I review the evidence myself.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  What do CDC have to do with the efficacy of vaccines?
  - 1996 6y ago
    The CDC was so pathetic that I no longer give the benefit of doubt to anything done or promoted by the government when it is related to contagious diseases. This includes vaccines.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      That's a really bad over compensation in the other direction.
    - Hinrik 6y ago
      What doubt? The momentary mismanagement of one nation's disease control unit means you'll ignore the globally-realized benefits of the greatest life-saving achievement of modern medicine? Sounds a bit like you were searching for an excuse for a conclusion you arrived at already for other reasons.
      - dredmorbius 6y ago
        All due respect to vaccines, and the comment you're responding to is absolutely idiotic, they're only accounting for a small fraction of longevity and mortality improvements over the past 200 years. The bulk of advances predate either development of widespread vaccination (largely 1930s - 1960s), or antibiotics (1940s), to say nothing of organ transplants (1950s-), cancer treatments (roughly same), imaging (1900s-), and advanced laproscopic surgeries (1970s-). Basic sanitation (sewerage & solid waste), water purification, food safety, vector control (mosquitos), physical safety (falls, streets/transport, machinery), environment (soot, lead, asbestos, poisons), habits (smoke, drink, drugs), childbirth & childcare, sex ed, nutrition, and simple basic access to medical care count for far more. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uTWEATUzgxk/TXQoTibILtI/AAAAAAAAAAM/eyirotYDmXo/s1600/2004_01_healthstat.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uTWEATUzgxk/TXQoTibILtI/AAAAAAAAAA... Context: http://economicspsychologypolicy.blogspot.com/2011/03/conquest-of-pestilence-in-new-york-city.html http://economicspsychologypolicy.blogspot.com/2011/03/conque... I'm not disputing that vaccines are a powerful and beneficial tool, but that "the greatest life-saving achievement of modern medicine" is not in fact vaccination, but basic (and often quite pedestrian) public health measures. This has been Laurie Garrett's thesis since at least the mid-1990s. And yes, she's also a strong vaccine advocate: https://www.lauriegarrett.com/betrayal-of-trust https://www.lauriegarrett.com/betrayal-of-trust https://greatpoliticalbooks.com/betrayal-of-trust-by-laurie-garrett/ https://greatpoliticalbooks.com/betrayal-of-trust-by-laurie-...
        1996 6y ago
        You are free to consider mycomment idiotic. However, I will decide on yearly flu shots and others based on my own analysis, as clearly government sources have other things in mind that my best interest. For example, I will wait 6 to 12 month after a covid vaccine is available to check postmarket studies. A counter example is papillomavirus and shingles (vzw) vaccines, that I have decided to get, even if it's not recommended for me.
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losteric 6y ago
Well, I blame this administration generally seeking appointments that will bend the knee over science. Plenty of prior administrations appointment science-bound officials that held the line.
thaumasiotes 6y ago
> One unfortunate side effect of the pandemic is that my trust in the CDC went from absolute to non-existent. Why is that effect unfortunate?

1996 6y ago

Same for me. No more vaccines until I review the evidence myself.

rorykoehler 6y ago
What do CDC have to do with the efficacy of vaccines?
- 1996 6y ago
  The CDC was so pathetic that I no longer give the benefit of doubt to anything done or promoted by the government when it is related to contagious diseases. This includes vaccines.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    That's a really bad over compensation in the other direction.
  - Hinrik 6y ago
    What doubt? The momentary mismanagement of one nation's disease control unit means you'll ignore the globally-realized benefits of the greatest life-saving achievement of modern medicine? Sounds a bit like you were searching for an excuse for a conclusion you arrived at already for other reasons.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      All due respect to vaccines, and the comment you're responding to is absolutely idiotic, they're only accounting for a small fraction of longevity and mortality improvements over the past 200 years. The bulk of advances predate either development of widespread vaccination (largely 1930s - 1960s), or antibiotics (1940s), to say nothing of organ transplants (1950s-), cancer treatments (roughly same), imaging (1900s-), and advanced laproscopic surgeries (1970s-). Basic sanitation (sewerage & solid waste), water purification, food safety, vector control (mosquitos), physical safety (falls, streets/transport, machinery), environment (soot, lead, asbestos, poisons), habits (smoke, drink, drugs), childbirth & childcare, sex ed, nutrition, and simple basic access to medical care count for far more. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uTWEATUzgxk/TXQoTibILtI/AAAAAAAAAAM/eyirotYDmXo/s1600/2004_01_healthstat.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uTWEATUzgxk/TXQoTibILtI/AAAAAAAAAA... Context: http://economicspsychologypolicy.blogspot.com/2011/03/conquest-of-pestilence-in-new-york-city.html http://economicspsychologypolicy.blogspot.com/2011/03/conque... I'm not disputing that vaccines are a powerful and beneficial tool, but that "the greatest life-saving achievement of modern medicine" is not in fact vaccination, but basic (and often quite pedestrian) public health measures. This has been Laurie Garrett's thesis since at least the mid-1990s. And yes, she's also a strong vaccine advocate: https://www.lauriegarrett.com/betrayal-of-trust https://www.lauriegarrett.com/betrayal-of-trust https://greatpoliticalbooks.com/betrayal-of-trust-by-laurie-garrett/ https://greatpoliticalbooks.com/betrayal-of-trust-by-laurie-...
      - 1996 6y ago
        You are free to consider mycomment idiotic. However, I will decide on yearly flu shots and others based on my own analysis, as clearly government sources have other things in mind that my best interest. For example, I will wait 6 to 12 month after a covid vaccine is available to check postmarket studies. A counter example is papillomavirus and shingles (vzw) vaccines, that I have decided to get, even if it's not recommended for me.

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losteric 6y ago

Well, I blame this administration generally seeking appointments that will bend the knee over science. Plenty of prior administrations appointment science-bound officials that held the line.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> One unfortunate side effect of the pandemic is that my trust in the CDC went from absolute to non-existent. Why is that effect unfortunate?