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I'm not sure if Americans are up for starting another foreign conflict. If we can't even fix the problems closest to us, why do we expect to do any better for p

I'm not sure if Americans are up for starting another foreign conflict. If we can't even fix the problems closest to us, why do we expect to do any better for problems across the ocean? Yes China bad, but what can we do? Punish them economically during a worldwide pandemic and push a nuclear power into a corner?

gedy 6y ago
Conflict is one thing, but isn't that the same type of things people said about Nazi Germany in the 30s?
- Ghjklov 6y ago
  In the end, America did join the fight and took part in defeating the Nazis. But back then was a different time. I don't think Americans are too excited to get into another conflict they'll yet again be blamed for any of the negative effects to come out of it. Are you American? Aren't you tired of playing hero? I'm tired of getting involved and then becoming a target of hate and demoralization.
  - gedy 6y ago
    I'm really more talking about ground level activism, boycotts, "raising awareness", etc not military action or conflict.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    I'm talking about nationwide pullback from all economic entanglement with China starting with escalating tariffs designed to make trade with china difficult and subsequently economically impossible followed by a ban on US citizens doing business with China directly or by proxy. I'm not talking about using trade as a lever to control them. I'm talking about giving up on pretending that doing business with them is going to change a totalitarian state into anything but a more economically successful totalitarian state. America should be able to take its dollars elsewhere without engaging in armed conflict or "playing hero"
michaelmrose 6y ago
They wont stop doing evil and it seems unlikely that sufficient internal pressure exists in the context of an economically successful China. Since we can't stop them from doing evil the only question is what degree of global power and influence they have in the coming years. Stopping all trade with them hurts them vastly more than it does us and ultimately handicaps their economy. The likely result is them dealing with a massive recession not nuclear war.

gedy 6y ago

Conflict is one thing, but isn't that the same type of things people said about Nazi Germany in the 30s?

Ghjklov 6y ago
In the end, America did join the fight and took part in defeating the Nazis. But back then was a different time. I don't think Americans are too excited to get into another conflict they'll yet again be blamed for any of the negative effects to come out of it. Are you American? Aren't you tired of playing hero? I'm tired of getting involved and then becoming a target of hate and demoralization.
- gedy 6y ago
  I'm really more talking about ground level activism, boycotts, "raising awareness", etc not military action or conflict.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  I'm talking about nationwide pullback from all economic entanglement with China starting with escalating tariffs designed to make trade with china difficult and subsequently economically impossible followed by a ban on US citizens doing business with China directly or by proxy. I'm not talking about using trade as a lever to control them. I'm talking about giving up on pretending that doing business with them is going to change a totalitarian state into anything but a more economically successful totalitarian state. America should be able to take its dollars elsewhere without engaging in armed conflict or "playing hero"

michaelmrose 6y ago

They wont stop doing evil and it seems unlikely that sufficient internal pressure exists in the context of an economically successful China. Since we can't stop them from doing evil the only question is what degree of global power and influence they have in the coming years. Stopping all trade with them hurts them vastly more than it does us and ultimately handicaps their economy. The likely result is them dealing with a massive recession not nuclear war.