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The expanded view of my argument is meant to be more productive, not to soften. As I said in the expansion 'almost like good versus evil'. It is certainly true

The expanded view of my argument is meant to be more productive, not to soften. As I said in the expansion 'almost like good versus evil'. It is certainly true that any individual or group of people may be happy to do some thing (spend money and do something). Whether it is rob a bank, get drunk and drive a car, or cure cancer people will always be happy to do some thing (referring to your point 'someone always happy to pay for a thing) as if this is the signal of some thing is OK). Just because the sensation of novelty happens doesn't mean we are doing well (see: basically any shitty thing humans do for a while and regret being assigned value through this mechanism). I'm trying to look at this from a higher altitude and say that with the levels of intellect and passion I'm aware of (and apologies for the lack of hard evidence or citations) I believe we are capable of better things. I believe in capitalism. I believe in the motivation to better ourselves to improve our circumstances through effort and education followed by returns due to providing things that people need or want. The sunglasses example in my view is a kind of prostitution of what the intention of capitalism is. In other words the hackers approach to capitalism. (I professionally and academically identify with and appreciate a hackers mentality, except in an economic social organizational sense due to it's regular self serving at any cost cultural grey areas). The mentality to circumvent standards and the creativity required to see pathways through a system is critically valuable to our species, but how in this case. In an attempt to open to you knowing/or having better view and resources on this than I do, please share a read, or whatever you expected me to provide? It feels like a waste of time, a waste of materials, a waste of human thinking, a pure waste of a reason to do anything when something is done just to synthesize value. For a light hearted 'citation': I see that the more pervasive this kind of behavior becomes in our world the closer to a scenario like the film Idiocracy we will become.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
> It feels like a waste of time, a waste of materials, a waste of human thinking, a pure waste of a reason to do anything when something is done just to synthesize value. Value attributed to an item is not absolute, and this is where your argument fails. Value is something that is agreed upon by two parties and can be any arbitrary amount.
- flattone 6y ago
  I have been juggling with trying to understand you. Perhaps as much as you me. I think i have something we can both understand 'trashiness of value' could be measured partly as measure of its proximity to unessential processes to artificially inflate value. This is a robbery not of cops and robbers and masks but of the ability for a person to be disguised as clever and take advantage of peoples sense of trust and hope for positive market behavior. I do believe it is destroying us. Another attempt: my views are an attempt to present the value system/logic of why we might be happier, more successful when our transactions are more aligned with Real Value than Perceived Value. Youre welcome to help me improve this. We both want the same thing, it seems. We just are seeing different roads to the same successful/free choice result. Or maybe its more accurate to say that i see a risk/or a loss in a behavior within the widely accepted system of consumer\producer behaviors. An opportunity to optimize. Value is arbitrary. But we are trying to describe specific types of value. And debate their merit.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    And, my point is that as passive bystanders, we don't have any input into the agreement that those two parties arrive at for their arbitrary value. As long as they both are consenting, and satisfied with the exchange, it is ethical whatever value they decide.
    - flattone 6y ago
      In what world? If that were true why cant i go buy automatic machine guns, lsd, and drive counterfeit ferraris with rock climbing suspension down snow covered ski areas while shooting at the sky, assuming me and the sellers agree to the deal.... because we are trying to not live in todays version of a game of thrones world. And no joke this activity sounds awesome
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Wow, that was a big departure from sunglasses, for which my argument holds, and obviously cannot be refuted by you. Edit: And, you can go and do all those things you mentioned. And my argument holds. There are consequences, though...

Fjolsvith 6y ago

> It feels like a waste of time, a waste of materials, a waste of human thinking, a pure waste of a reason to do anything when something is done just to synthesize value. Value attributed to an item is not absolute, and this is where your argument fails. Value is something that is agreed upon by two parties and can be any arbitrary amount.

flattone 6y ago
I have been juggling with trying to understand you. Perhaps as much as you me. I think i have something we can both understand 'trashiness of value' could be measured partly as measure of its proximity to unessential processes to artificially inflate value. This is a robbery not of cops and robbers and masks but of the ability for a person to be disguised as clever and take advantage of peoples sense of trust and hope for positive market behavior. I do believe it is destroying us. Another attempt: my views are an attempt to present the value system/logic of why we might be happier, more successful when our transactions are more aligned with Real Value than Perceived Value. Youre welcome to help me improve this. We both want the same thing, it seems. We just are seeing different roads to the same successful/free choice result. Or maybe its more accurate to say that i see a risk/or a loss in a behavior within the widely accepted system of consumer\producer behaviors. An opportunity to optimize. Value is arbitrary. But we are trying to describe specific types of value. And debate their merit.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  And, my point is that as passive bystanders, we don't have any input into the agreement that those two parties arrive at for their arbitrary value. As long as they both are consenting, and satisfied with the exchange, it is ethical whatever value they decide.
  - flattone 6y ago
    In what world? If that were true why cant i go buy automatic machine guns, lsd, and drive counterfeit ferraris with rock climbing suspension down snow covered ski areas while shooting at the sky, assuming me and the sellers agree to the deal.... because we are trying to not live in todays version of a game of thrones world. And no joke this activity sounds awesome
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Wow, that was a big departure from sunglasses, for which my argument holds, and obviously cannot be refuted by you. Edit: And, you can go and do all those things you mentioned. And my argument holds. There are consequences, though...