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Not necessarily. The DTK is in a Mac Mini chassis so perhaps it simply has better cooling than the passively-cooled Surface X and therefore can run at higher po

Not necessarily. The DTK is in a Mac Mini chassis so perhaps it simply has better cooling than the passively-cooled Surface X and therefore can run at higher power?

zepto 6y ago
Other articles have shown that it is in fact under-clocked compared to the iPad.
- derision 6y ago
  You're still ignoring the cooling factor
  - zepto 6y ago
    Even if present, how much do you think that affects it, and how does it change the outcome? I’d say not much, and not at all. Even if cooling is a factor the outcome still has the same meaning. Apple silicon is way ahead, and emulation is excellent to the point of being a non-issue.
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      Cooling and power+thermal throttling are the limiting factor in many devices. A look at the overclocking tools for your platform will usually show what the limiting factor on clock speed is at a given moment, and it's usually either power or thermal in my experience. A devkit that can supply more watts of electricity and remove more watts of heat would definitely have an advantage. A most fair comparison would require using the same type of case, power, and cooling for both CPUs.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Sure but you are ignoring the disadvantage that the dev kit isn’t running native code.
        nitrogen 6y ago
        And unfortunately we can't quantify that disadvantage without controlling for all the other variables.
        zepto 6y ago
        Sure we can’t produce a precise number yet. But we can clearly see the order of magnitude, and it is quite obviously impressive in both of the ways already stated. iPads are faster than Mac mini’s even with the same thermal differential. The thermal issue does nothing to dismiss this truth.
    - alwillis 6y ago
      That Apple silicon is way ahead isn’t new: https://twitter.com/elkmovie/status/1174003718188142592 https://twitter.com/elkmovie/status/1174003718188142592
alwillis 6y ago
No. Apple’s SoC is far superior to whatever is in the Surface.

Not necessarily. The DTK is in a Mac Mini chassis so perhaps it simply has better cooling than the passively-cooled Surface X and therefore can run at higher power?

zepto 6y ago

Other articles have shown that it is in fact under-clocked compared to the iPad.

derision 6y ago
You're still ignoring the cooling factor
- zepto 6y ago
  Even if present, how much do you think that affects it, and how does it change the outcome? I’d say not much, and not at all. Even if cooling is a factor the outcome still has the same meaning. Apple silicon is way ahead, and emulation is excellent to the point of being a non-issue.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    Cooling and power+thermal throttling are the limiting factor in many devices. A look at the overclocking tools for your platform will usually show what the limiting factor on clock speed is at a given moment, and it's usually either power or thermal in my experience. A devkit that can supply more watts of electricity and remove more watts of heat would definitely have an advantage. A most fair comparison would require using the same type of case, power, and cooling for both CPUs.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Sure but you are ignoring the disadvantage that the dev kit isn’t running native code.
      - nitrogen 6y ago
        And unfortunately we can't quantify that disadvantage without controlling for all the other variables.
        zepto 6y ago
        Sure we can’t produce a precise number yet. But we can clearly see the order of magnitude, and it is quite obviously impressive in both of the ways already stated. iPads are faster than Mac mini’s even with the same thermal differential. The thermal issue does nothing to dismiss this truth.
  - alwillis 6y ago
    That Apple silicon is way ahead isn’t new: https://twitter.com/elkmovie/status/1174003718188142592 https://twitter.com/elkmovie/status/1174003718188142592

alwillis 6y ago

No. Apple’s SoC is far superior to whatever is in the Surface.