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> Look at Hong Kong protests, then look at police beating people in cities across the US it’s the same. > What are the concessions from the US government? A fe

> Look at Hong Kong protests, then look at police beating people in cities across the US it’s the same. > What are the concessions from the US government? A few minor police reforms to encourage cops to stop killing minorities on camera, qualified immunity is still here, so basically nothing. US’s reaction is hugely different than HK’s. Not a single HK cop was actually penalized, let alone fired or charged, for their misconducts during the year long protests. The only HK cop that was charged was the one who posted posters criticizing the police force. [1] By contrast, numerous US cops were fired and charged. Not to mention two weeks before George Floyd was killed, a South Asian was also killed by HK cops by kneeing on his neck. [2] The victim’s name wasn’t made public, not a single HK cop was penalized, and they went on to keep doing the same to HK protesters a month later (no casualty this time) [3]. Disbanding the HK police is one of the core demands of Hong Kong protesters [4]. While US has made some police reforms, nothing like this happened in Hong Kong, except HK police just got more powerful under the new National Security Law. And you tell me US is the same as HK? [1] http://www.rfi.fr/tw/%E6%94%BF%E6%B2%BB/20200118-%E4%BC%91%E7%8F%AD%E9%98%B2%E6%9A%B4%E8%AD%A6%E5%BF%83%E5%9C%A8%E6%BC%A2%E8%B2%BC%E9%80%A3%E5%84%82%E7%89%86%E8%AB%B7%E5%88%BA%E4%B8%80%E5%93%A5%E8%A2%AB%E6%8D%95 http://www.rfi.fr/tw/%E6%94%BF%E6%B2%BB/20200118-%E4%BC%91%E... (in Chinese) [2] https://www.hk01.com/%E7%AA%81%E7%99%BC/471390/%E9%9D%9E%E8%8F%AF%E8%A3%94%E9%86%89%E6%BC%A2%E9%81%AD%E8%AD%A6%E5%88%B6%E6%9C%8D%E7%BF%8C%E6%97%A5%E6%AD%BB%E4%BA%A1-%E6%B6%88%E9%98%B2-%E7%94%B7%E5%AD%90%E5%9C%A8%E8%AD%A6%E8%BB%8A%E5%85%A7%E5%B7%B2%E7%84%A1%E5%91%BC%E5%90%B8%E8%84%88%E6%90%8F https://www.hk01.com/%E7%AA%81%E7%99%BC/471390/%E9%9D%9E%E8%... (in Chinese) [3] https://hongkongfp.com/2020/06/15/i-couldnt-breathe-hong-kong-police-say-neck-restraint-used-during-arrest-of-schoolgirl-was-within-protocol/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/06/15/i-couldnt-breathe-hong-kon... [4] https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/2925727 https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/2925727 (in Chinese)

yoav 6y ago
For every cop held accountable there are hundreds more committing the same crimes who are protected by the state. While cell phones are a new invention where the protected class in the US is now seeing the oppression that many citizens have been living with, it’s not new. The state has known the whole time and intentionally hidden it. Doing the bare minimum is just PR, eg: cops kneeling with protestors and then an hour later using chemical weapons and beating on the same peaceful protestors. If the distinction is: China addresses challenges to oppression with censorship while the US addresses it with marketing and ineffectual “concessions” then we’re saying the same thing.
- hkmaxpro 6y ago
  Please see my reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23695111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23695111
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>And you tell me US is the same as HK? You are comparing what happened in one city against what happened across the entire country. Look at the actions of the NYPD during these protests. They have also received virtually no punishment despite their range of heinous acts. An occasional incident nationwide that drives up enough outrage to force a punishment doesn't grant us some moral high ground.
- hkmaxpro 6y ago
  The parent comment compared the US to HK, so did I. Now I just focus on NYPD: NYPD charged an officer for using a chokehold. [1] No officer was charged in HK after the year long protests for their misconducts and brutality. Side note: Numerous HK protesters were also victims of sexual harassment or sexual violence during arrest or detention. A 19-year-old girl was gangraped by police officers in a police station and got pregnant, and the police threatened to arrest her for “making false statements”. She defended her claims and had to flee to Taiwan. [2][3] Any similar incident in NYC? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/nyregion/nypd-officer-chokehold-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/nyregion/nypd-officer-cho... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3-OZaEcCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3-OZaEcCA [3] https://hongkongfp.com/2020/05/13/hong-kong-woman-who-accused-officers-of-gang-rape-defends-claim-after-police-chief-says-she-must-be-arrested-for-lying/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/05/13/hong-kong-woman-who-accuse...
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >Any similar incident in NYC? Yes https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-probation/ https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-...
    - hkmaxpro 6y ago
      The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean. Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan for her own safety. US cops commit a crime and get away with minimal punishment. HK cops commit a crime and the victims get arrested. Another example: the boy shot by live rounds by the cop in this video [1] was charged for attempted robbery and obstructing the police [2], even though the event was triggered by poor policing according to an experienced Australian officer [3]. See the difference? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0 [2] https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B2%B3%E4%B8%AD%E6%A7%8D%E9%9D%92%E5%B9%B4%E8%A2%AB%E6%8E%A7%E4%BC%81%E5%9C%96%E6%90%B6%E5%8A%AB%E7%AD%89%E7%BD%AA-%E4%B8%8B%E5%91%A8%E4%BA%8C%E6%8F%90%E5%A0%82/ https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B... (in Chinese) [3] https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072 https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072

yoav 6y ago

For every cop held accountable there are hundreds more committing the same crimes who are protected by the state. While cell phones are a new invention where the protected class in the US is now seeing the oppression that many citizens have been living with, it’s not new. The state has known the whole time and intentionally hidden it. Doing the bare minimum is just PR, eg: cops kneeling with protestors and then an hour later using chemical weapons and beating on the same peaceful protestors. If the distinction is: China addresses challenges to oppression with censorship while the US addresses it with marketing and ineffectual “concessions” then we’re saying the same thing.

hkmaxpro 6y ago
Please see my reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23695111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23695111

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>And you tell me US is the same as HK? You are comparing what happened in one city against what happened across the entire country. Look at the actions of the NYPD during these protests. They have also received virtually no punishment despite their range of heinous acts. An occasional incident nationwide that drives up enough outrage to force a punishment doesn't grant us some moral high ground.

hkmaxpro 6y ago
The parent comment compared the US to HK, so did I. Now I just focus on NYPD: NYPD charged an officer for using a chokehold. [1] No officer was charged in HK after the year long protests for their misconducts and brutality. Side note: Numerous HK protesters were also victims of sexual harassment or sexual violence during arrest or detention. A 19-year-old girl was gangraped by police officers in a police station and got pregnant, and the police threatened to arrest her for “making false statements”. She defended her claims and had to flee to Taiwan. [2][3] Any similar incident in NYC? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/nyregion/nypd-officer-chokehold-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/nyregion/nypd-officer-cho... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3-OZaEcCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3-OZaEcCA [3] https://hongkongfp.com/2020/05/13/hong-kong-woman-who-accused-officers-of-gang-rape-defends-claim-after-police-chief-says-she-must-be-arrested-for-lying/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/05/13/hong-kong-woman-who-accuse...
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >Any similar incident in NYC? Yes https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-probation/ https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-...
  - hkmaxpro 6y ago
    The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean. Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan for her own safety. US cops commit a crime and get away with minimal punishment. HK cops commit a crime and the victims get arrested. Another example: the boy shot by live rounds by the cop in this video [1] was charged for attempted robbery and obstructing the police [2], even though the event was triggered by poor policing according to an experienced Australian officer [3]. See the difference? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0 [2] https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B2%B3%E4%B8%AD%E6%A7%8D%E9%9D%92%E5%B9%B4%E8%A2%AB%E6%8E%A7%E4%BC%81%E5%9C%96%E6%90%B6%E5%8A%AB%E7%AD%89%E7%BD%AA-%E4%B8%8B%E5%91%A8%E4%BA%8C%E6%8F%90%E5%A0%82/ https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B... (in Chinese) [3] https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072 https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072