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As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting. How disconnected from black

As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting. How disconnected from black experience can you be that you think this is important or desirable? It trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism. Do you want to fight against slavery? Then lets campaign to abolish the exception in the 13th amendment.

kube-system 6y ago
I get your point, but the Open Source Hardware Association probably does not have much influence over more important issues. I don't think this is so much of them saying "look at us we fixed it!" as much as it is them saying "we're taking responsibility for the domain over which we have power".
- banads 6y ago
  Seems more like a cheap, public religious exorcism; "thoughts and prayers" "Would you like to save the world from the degradation and destruction it seems destined for? Then step away from shallow mass movements and quietly go to work on your own self-awareness. If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself. If you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation." -Lao Tzu
dragonwriter 6y ago
> As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting. White-dominated society deciding to stop casually reinforcing racist ideology and trying to figure out how to do that isn't about appeasing blacks or appealing to them on the level of atomic steps (I suppose the end goal of a society with less pervasive racism is something that probably appeals to most blacks—it certainly does to me personally, but I wasn't elected to speak for the whole race.) > How disconnected from black experience can you be that you think this is important or desirable? I think it's pretty racist for you to declare that my experience must not be black enough, as I find it not terribly important in and of itself or, out of context, desirable, but a part of a direction which is both important and desirable. > It trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism. I disagree that it does, and I think claiming that it does requires adopting a fallacious line of thought of the pattern “Doing X at all implies that doing X is all that is necessary or desirable”. Were I to adopt such a pattern, I would say that this: > Do you want to fight against slavery? Then lets campaign to abolish the exception in the 13th amendment. ...likewise trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism, because while historically centrally important in the formation of racist structures in our modern society and economy, actual de jure penal involuntary servitude in the hole created by the 13th Amendment exception is a small and decreasing part of that in the present. But that's silly, because attacking the 13th Amendment hole doesn't mean not attacking all the other problems.

kube-system 6y ago

I get your point, but the Open Source Hardware Association probably does not have much influence over more important issues. I don't think this is so much of them saying "look at us we fixed it!" as much as it is them saying "we're taking responsibility for the domain over which we have power".

banads 6y ago
Seems more like a cheap, public religious exorcism; "thoughts and prayers" "Would you like to save the world from the degradation and destruction it seems destined for? Then step away from shallow mass movements and quietly go to work on your own self-awareness. If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself. If you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation." -Lao Tzu

dragonwriter 6y ago

> As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting. White-dominated society deciding to stop casually reinforcing racist ideology and trying to figure out how to do that isn't about appeasing blacks or appealing to them on the level of atomic steps (I suppose the end goal of a society with less pervasive racism is something that probably appeals to most blacks—it certainly does to me personally, but I wasn't elected to speak for the whole race.) > How disconnected from black experience can you be that you think this is important or desirable? I think it's pretty racist for you to declare that my experience must not be black enough, as I find it not terribly important in and of itself or, out of context, desirable, but a part of a direction which is both important and desirable. > It trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism. I disagree that it does, and I think claiming that it does requires adopting a fallacious line of thought of the pattern “Doing X at all implies that doing X is all that is necessary or desirable”. Were I to adopt such a pattern, I would say that this: > Do you want to fight against slavery? Then lets campaign to abolish the exception in the 13th amendment. ...likewise trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism, because while historically centrally important in the formation of racist structures in our modern society and economy, actual de jure penal involuntary servitude in the hole created by the 13th Amendment exception is a small and decreasing part of that in the present. But that's silly, because attacking the 13th Amendment hole doesn't mean not attacking all the other problems.