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Does it still have UglyBar from v77? Seems like that.

by Yizahi 6y ago

akerro 6y ago
Unfortunately it still has this "megabar"
msclrhd 6y ago
See https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-bar.html https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-b... for details on how to customize the new address bar, including userChrome css for keeping its size confined to the dropdown UI like other dropdown/combobox UI elements.
- jamoes 6y ago
  Also see https://superuser.com/questions/540851/go-back-to-not-selecting-the-whole-url-when-i-click-the-address-bar/1559926#1559926 https://superuser.com/questions/540851/go-back-to-not-select... for details on how to disable the clickSelectsAll behavior. This issue is frankly far more important than the style changes they made. It's a muscle-memory issue that drastically affects daily usage. I was so desperate to restore the sane behavior of not selecting everything on a single click that I was recompiling firefox prior to discovering this workaround.
ChrisSD 6y ago
Can I ask why it's considered "ugly" now but wasn't before? Isn't it just a few pixels bigger?
- jeltz 6y ago
  No, it is smaller so that is not the issue. The old completions used to use up the full width of the browser window. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I suspect that the proportions are just slightly off.
  - foepys 6y ago
    You can just remove the flexible spacers. Just go to the tab bar, right-click on an empty space or the "+" -> "Customize..." and remove them. I did so when Firefox upgraded to Quantum and the spacers never returned by themselves.
  - executesorder66 6y ago
    The dropdown takes up less horizontal space in the new version. But in the new version the URL bar itself becomes obese with unnecessary padding whenever you click in it. And that is was a lot of people hate about it. No other input field becomes fat when you click on it. It is enough to just highlight the edges like the old version (And like every other input field) when you want to indicate that the input field is currently active.
- Yizahi 6y ago
  Plus shadow. And it steals focus on new tab. And it shifts text when selecting. And no history now. It is just dumber and uglier version of the old normal address bar which nobody asked to "improve" this way.
vvillena 6y ago
Is there any specific thing that makes it ugly? I'm curious because I don't see the ugliness. Since I use Firefox 99% of the time, I just opened Chrome and Edge to check out their address bars. All three are extremely similar. In Chrome and Edge the borders are more rounded, while Firefox opts for a more square look. All three feature a "popup" effect that makes the bar slightly bigger when interacting with it: in Firefox this effect activates when clicking the bar, while the other two enlarge when inputting data.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  It uses a non-native look for no good reason, and the "popup" thing obscures other parts of the browser UI.
  - ebg13 6y ago
    78 has checkboxes to disable the suggestions popup under the privacy/security preferences.
  - deathanatos 6y ago
    I've seen numerous people discuss this, so I can only presume that there is some itch here, but I'm not getting it. Hasn't the location bar been non-native since pretty much forever, since it has to display icons and colors and all sorts of other stuff that I think most native drop down widgets just won't? As for obscuring other parts of the UI … such as? (That it wasn't since the dawn of time; I mean, it drops down and obscures part of the browser window, sure? But it's done that since the idea of having it autocomplete was first added.) The only recent change seems to be that it swells up by a few pixels when you focus it. (I'm not a fan, but it honestly doesn't seem to matter much. It has started to not show the carat, and that is definitely annoying, and I'd agree more with a native widget argument there, I just don't think one exists.)
    - wtallis 6y ago
      > As for obscuring other parts of the UI … such as? Bookmarks toolbar, for one. Open a new blank tab, the URLbar has focus by default and is now partially obscuring the bookmarks right at the moment you're most likely to use them.
robotmay 6y ago
I hate the UglyBar so much. I've got a user style to fix it but my god, who thought it was a good idea? It's so much worse and it didn't need doing.
- recursive 6y ago
  > It's so much worse and it didn't need doing. It's subjective. I like it.
- Yizahi 6y ago
  Personally what found even worse is the attitude of an arrogant Firefox developer (Marco), who came to /r/firefox and just outright dismissed any and all concerns, than closed all bugzilla tickets about it and just left subreddit (at least for several days). It feels like some "genius" manager who brute forced his "brilliant" idea on the team.
tgv 6y ago
It's not only ugly: whenever I click in it to edit a URL (pasting in different UUIDs for testing, things like that), the change of font size means I don't know where the selection is. That's so confusing.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  I am always very confused by discussions about this bar. For me, when I press ctrl-L, the bar gets slightly bigger borders and the dropdown expands, and that's all that happens. I don't get a font size change or anything. Is my experience not typical? Does anyone know why I don't get the new bar if not? I'm on 78.
  - regularfry 6y ago
    Just checked for myself on FF77 on Gnome and on FF78 on Windows. I don't see a change of font size on either. Is there something you need to opt in to?
  - tgv 6y ago
    Perhaps it's a macOS thing.
  - Yizahi 6y ago
    I have font change on Win10, v77.0.1 latest. When focused URL text font is enlarged and if you were targeting specific symbol it will be shifted to side by several places. PS: here is a proof - https://imgur.com/a/AYi99Ht https://imgur.com/a/AYi99Ht
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      That's really odd, it doesn't change size for me at all on Linux. This seems like a bug.
ProAm 6y ago
This new bar is why I stopped upgrading FF. with 76 you could change it with about:firefox options, then in 77 you had to use userChrome.css I got tired of trying to find a workaround for a piece of utility software. I shouldnt have to relearn functionality every minor release of a browser. I love FF, but Im sticking with 76 for the foreseeable future.
- jfk13 6y ago
  Sorry you don't like the new design. Personally, I found it really jarring at first, but by now I don't notice it unless I consciously look for it. Hope you enjoy your unpatched security issues.
  - gnud 6y ago
    I don't mind the design - but the functionality of the bar annoys me to no end. If you try to use a relative domain name (typing webtest01 instead of webtest01.mydomain.com, when your DNS resolves those two to the same address), for some reason Firefox thinks I want to search the web. I don't understand why. Even worse, if you use a full domain name (web.test), and even if you specify a port (web.test:8080), Firefox thinks you want to search. Those are valid domains that resolve on my network.
    - christophergray 6y ago
      You can type in webtest01/ but the other ones you have to type in the http:// http://
    - zzo38computer 6y ago
      I don't like that either, but on my computer I added a code to make it treat URLs entered in the location bar as relative, so if you just type "web.test" it will try to access the file called "web.test" relative to whatever document is currently open.
    - paulryanrogers 6y ago
      It could be for safety as well since some scams may rely on unusual TLDs for exploits. Regardless, browsers are becoming like Word. Most use only 10% but everyone wants/needs a different 10% slice of functionality.

Does it still have UglyBar from v77? Seems like that.

by Yizahi 6y ago

Does it still have UglyBar from v77? Seems like that.

akerro 6y ago

Unfortunately it still has this "megabar"

msclrhd 6y ago

See https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-bar.html https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-b... for details on how to customize the new address bar, including userChrome css for keeping its size confined to the dropdown UI like other dropdown/combobox UI elements.

jamoes 6y ago
Also see https://superuser.com/questions/540851/go-back-to-not-selecting-the-whole-url-when-i-click-the-address-bar/1559926#1559926 https://superuser.com/questions/540851/go-back-to-not-select... for details on how to disable the clickSelectsAll behavior. This issue is frankly far more important than the style changes they made. It's a muscle-memory issue that drastically affects daily usage. I was so desperate to restore the sane behavior of not selecting everything on a single click that I was recompiling firefox prior to discovering this workaround.

ChrisSD 6y ago

Can I ask why it's considered "ugly" now but wasn't before? Isn't it just a few pixels bigger?

jeltz 6y ago
No, it is smaller so that is not the issue. The old completions used to use up the full width of the browser window. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I suspect that the proportions are just slightly off.
- foepys 6y ago
  You can just remove the flexible spacers. Just go to the tab bar, right-click on an empty space or the "+" -> "Customize..." and remove them. I did so when Firefox upgraded to Quantum and the spacers never returned by themselves.
- executesorder66 6y ago
  The dropdown takes up less horizontal space in the new version. But in the new version the URL bar itself becomes obese with unnecessary padding whenever you click in it. And that is was a lot of people hate about it. No other input field becomes fat when you click on it. It is enough to just highlight the edges like the old version (And like every other input field) when you want to indicate that the input field is currently active.
Yizahi 6y ago
Plus shadow. And it steals focus on new tab. And it shifts text when selecting. And no history now. It is just dumber and uglier version of the old normal address bar which nobody asked to "improve" this way.

vvillena 6y ago

Is there any specific thing that makes it ugly? I'm curious because I don't see the ugliness. Since I use Firefox 99% of the time, I just opened Chrome and Edge to check out their address bars. All three are extremely similar. In Chrome and Edge the borders are more rounded, while Firefox opts for a more square look. All three feature a "popup" effect that makes the bar slightly bigger when interacting with it: in Firefox this effect activates when clicking the bar, while the other two enlarge when inputting data.

zozbot234 6y ago
It uses a non-native look for no good reason, and the "popup" thing obscures other parts of the browser UI.
- ebg13 6y ago
  78 has checkboxes to disable the suggestions popup under the privacy/security preferences.
- deathanatos 6y ago
  I've seen numerous people discuss this, so I can only presume that there is some itch here, but I'm not getting it. Hasn't the location bar been non-native since pretty much forever, since it has to display icons and colors and all sorts of other stuff that I think most native drop down widgets just won't? As for obscuring other parts of the UI … such as? (That it wasn't since the dawn of time; I mean, it drops down and obscures part of the browser window, sure? But it's done that since the idea of having it autocomplete was first added.) The only recent change seems to be that it swells up by a few pixels when you focus it. (I'm not a fan, but it honestly doesn't seem to matter much. It has started to not show the carat, and that is definitely annoying, and I'd agree more with a native widget argument there, I just don't think one exists.)
  - wtallis 6y ago
    > As for obscuring other parts of the UI … such as? Bookmarks toolbar, for one. Open a new blank tab, the URLbar has focus by default and is now partially obscuring the bookmarks right at the moment you're most likely to use them.

robotmay 6y ago

I hate the UglyBar so much. I've got a user style to fix it but my god, who thought it was a good idea? It's so much worse and it didn't need doing.

recursive 6y ago
> It's so much worse and it didn't need doing. It's subjective. I like it.
Yizahi 6y ago
Personally what found even worse is the attitude of an arrogant Firefox developer (Marco), who came to /r/firefox and just outright dismissed any and all concerns, than closed all bugzilla tickets about it and just left subreddit (at least for several days). It feels like some "genius" manager who brute forced his "brilliant" idea on the team.

tgv 6y ago

It's not only ugly: whenever I click in it to edit a URL (pasting in different UUIDs for testing, things like that), the change of font size means I don't know where the selection is. That's so confusing.

StavrosK 6y ago
I am always very confused by discussions about this bar. For me, when I press ctrl-L, the bar gets slightly bigger borders and the dropdown expands, and that's all that happens. I don't get a font size change or anything. Is my experience not typical? Does anyone know why I don't get the new bar if not? I'm on 78.
- regularfry 6y ago
  Just checked for myself on FF77 on Gnome and on FF78 on Windows. I don't see a change of font size on either. Is there something you need to opt in to?
- tgv 6y ago
  Perhaps it's a macOS thing.
- Yizahi 6y ago
  I have font change on Win10, v77.0.1 latest. When focused URL text font is enlarged and if you were targeting specific symbol it will be shifted to side by several places. PS: here is a proof - https://imgur.com/a/AYi99Ht https://imgur.com/a/AYi99Ht
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    That's really odd, it doesn't change size for me at all on Linux. This seems like a bug.

ProAm 6y ago

This new bar is why I stopped upgrading FF. with 76 you could change it with about:firefox options, then in 77 you had to use userChrome.css I got tired of trying to find a workaround for a piece of utility software. I shouldnt have to relearn functionality every minor release of a browser. I love FF, but Im sticking with 76 for the foreseeable future.

jfk13 6y ago
Sorry you don't like the new design. Personally, I found it really jarring at first, but by now I don't notice it unless I consciously look for it. Hope you enjoy your unpatched security issues.
- gnud 6y ago
  I don't mind the design - but the functionality of the bar annoys me to no end. If you try to use a relative domain name (typing webtest01 instead of webtest01.mydomain.com, when your DNS resolves those two to the same address), for some reason Firefox thinks I want to search the web. I don't understand why. Even worse, if you use a full domain name (web.test), and even if you specify a port (web.test:8080), Firefox thinks you want to search. Those are valid domains that resolve on my network.
  - christophergray 6y ago
    You can type in webtest01/ but the other ones you have to type in the http:// http://
  - zzo38computer 6y ago
    I don't like that either, but on my computer I added a code to make it treat URLs entered in the location bar as relative, so if you just type "web.test" it will try to access the file called "web.test" relative to whatever document is currently open.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    It could be for safety as well since some scams may rely on unusual TLDs for exploits. Regardless, browsers are becoming like Word. Most use only 10% but everyone wants/needs a different 10% slice of functionality.