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How do you explain the ethnic cleansing happening in Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine, and a handful of of areas within Russia continued from ussr days?

gdy 6y ago
"the ethnic cleansing happening in Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine, and a handful of areas within Russia continued from ussr days" South Ossetia isn't Russia. And neither it is Georgia. Despite locals in this republic being justly upset by Georgia attacking them, Russia certainly should've done more to restrain them when they were harassing their Georgian neighbors in the aftermath of the war. "Crimea, eastern Ukraine" What on Earth are you talking about? Crimean Tatars are doing better than ever with Russia resolving land issues in their favor. "a handful of areas within Russia continued from ussr days" What? That's BS.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  >What on Earth are you talking about? Crimean Tatars are doing better than ever with Russia resolving land issues in their favor. Just as someone having direct access to opinions of Crimean Tatars I can assure everyone that Crimean Tatars do not share his(gdy) view. They are politically prosecuted with false charges for terrorism.People disappear and they experience all kinds of state abuses. Sample of their protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUSWWLx1GU&t=23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUSWWLx1GU&t=23s Therefore I consider his comment as nothing more than propaganda lie.
  - gdy 6y ago
    "I can assure everyone" Yeah, 'Dude, just trust me'. I'm pretty sure there are such Tatars, who are unhappy with Crimean authorities, just like there is a double digit percentage of Russians in Russia who are unhappy with Putin's rule. However, all that you have mentioned does not support the insane accusation of 'ethnic cleansing' in any way. On the other hand, there are facts like the language of Crimean Tatars being one of three official languages in Crimea.[0] The video that you've linked to, shows some Crimean Tatars protesting near Kremlin and saying that their relatives were falsely accused of being members of some islamist organization. And nothing more. They might even be right but it doesn't follow from the video. [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_language
    - lovelyviking 6y ago
      > ... the insane accusation of 'ethnic cleansing' > ... their relatives were falsely accused > ... And nothing more. No comments. This is how russian propaganda works. Then they usually try to shift attention: > there are facts like the language of Crimean Tatars being one of three official languages in Crimea The only TV station in Crimea in Tatar language was closed after occupation.(And he knew about it when he wrote about language) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32145218 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32145218 I agree with other guy(mthoms) who tried "civilised discussion with gdy" Citation:"Frankly, you sound a little too "wound up" to have a civilised discussion with. Even if you do have a couple semi-valid points. You know what? I just glanced at your comment history. It's chock full of the same childishness. I'm going to disengage here." I am sure gdy will continue like nothing happened.All russian propagandists do, because it's usually a paid job. They simply switch topic to spread more propaganda. They usually pretend to have 'civilised discussion' but it's a fake. They simply abuse it intentionally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
      - gdy 6y ago
        "All russian propagandists do, because it's usually a paid job." Says an account created 8 months ago to an account created 8 years ago.
      - gdy 6y ago
        "No comments. " The usual situation when lacking arguments. Perhaps, you should look up the word 'ethnic' in the dictionary. "The only TV station in Crimea in Tatar language was closed after occupation.(And he knew about it when he wrote about language)" As a matter of fact, I didn't. Thanks. The BBC article cites the political reasons though, not ethnic.
  - qserasera 6y ago
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gdy 6y ago

"the ethnic cleansing happening in Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine, and a handful of areas within Russia continued from ussr days" South Ossetia isn't Russia. And neither it is Georgia. Despite locals in this republic being justly upset by Georgia attacking them, Russia certainly should've done more to restrain them when they were harassing their Georgian neighbors in the aftermath of the war. "Crimea, eastern Ukraine" What on Earth are you talking about? Crimean Tatars are doing better than ever with Russia resolving land issues in their favor. "a handful of areas within Russia continued from ussr days" What? That's BS.

lovelyviking 6y ago
>What on Earth are you talking about? Crimean Tatars are doing better than ever with Russia resolving land issues in their favor. Just as someone having direct access to opinions of Crimean Tatars I can assure everyone that Crimean Tatars do not share his(gdy) view. They are politically prosecuted with false charges for terrorism.People disappear and they experience all kinds of state abuses. Sample of their protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUSWWLx1GU&t=23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUSWWLx1GU&t=23s Therefore I consider his comment as nothing more than propaganda lie.
- gdy 6y ago
  "I can assure everyone" Yeah, 'Dude, just trust me'. I'm pretty sure there are such Tatars, who are unhappy with Crimean authorities, just like there is a double digit percentage of Russians in Russia who are unhappy with Putin's rule. However, all that you have mentioned does not support the insane accusation of 'ethnic cleansing' in any way. On the other hand, there are facts like the language of Crimean Tatars being one of three official languages in Crimea.[0] The video that you've linked to, shows some Crimean Tatars protesting near Kremlin and saying that their relatives were falsely accused of being members of some islamist organization. And nothing more. They might even be right but it doesn't follow from the video. [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_language
  - lovelyviking 6y ago
    > ... the insane accusation of 'ethnic cleansing' > ... their relatives were falsely accused > ... And nothing more. No comments. This is how russian propaganda works. Then they usually try to shift attention: > there are facts like the language of Crimean Tatars being one of three official languages in Crimea The only TV station in Crimea in Tatar language was closed after occupation.(And he knew about it when he wrote about language) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32145218 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32145218 I agree with other guy(mthoms) who tried "civilised discussion with gdy" Citation:"Frankly, you sound a little too "wound up" to have a civilised discussion with. Even if you do have a couple semi-valid points. You know what? I just glanced at your comment history. It's chock full of the same childishness. I'm going to disengage here." I am sure gdy will continue like nothing happened.All russian propagandists do, because it's usually a paid job. They simply switch topic to spread more propaganda. They usually pretend to have 'civilised discussion' but it's a fake. They simply abuse it intentionally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
    - gdy 6y ago
      "All russian propagandists do, because it's usually a paid job." Says an account created 8 months ago to an account created 8 years ago.
    - gdy 6y ago
      "No comments. " The usual situation when lacking arguments. Perhaps, you should look up the word 'ethnic' in the dictionary. "The only TV station in Crimea in Tatar language was closed after occupation.(And he knew about it when he wrote about language)" As a matter of fact, I didn't. Thanks. The BBC article cites the political reasons though, not ethnic.
- qserasera 6y ago
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