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It looks an awful lot like "I know how to cure everybody's depression by Life Hacks and all medical help is worthless", which does not square with my (or many o

It looks an awful lot like "I know how to cure everybody's depression by Life Hacks and all medical help is worthless", which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences. Being on antidepressants for a while allowed me to turn my life around.

mapcars 6y ago
I can elaborate on that, see depression is caused by you in the end, not by circumstances (which may steer you in the direction, but finally you "do" it). See what they do in yoga is they know how to change chemistry in your body in a more natural and balanced way than antidepressants. It's the same approach but much more subtle than modern medicine can do, and I'm not saying medical thing is worthless - it is super helpful with more "physical" cases, what is called depression, anxiety, stress just involves more aspects. One thing about external chemicals (antidepressants in this case) is you may become addicted to them in many ways, while in yoga it's your own body which is doing the whole thing. > which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences Well I can also show you many other people who feel the same about kriya yoga. Unless you try it you can't know. About "Life Hacks" - what medicine is doing today 100 years people would see it as life hacks. Just that you are not comfortable with an idea that someone understands things well beyond your imagination. But what to do, if it works?
- luckylion 6y ago
  This sounds like you're mistaking depression for "feeling a bit down lately". "Hey, just realize how great your life is" - "Oh, wow, thanks, I'm cured". > Unless you try it you can't know. Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know.
  - mapcars 6y ago
    > "Hey, just realize how great your life is" In a way this is how it is, except not in words nor in your imagination, rather in a real experience of oneness with whole rest of the Universe where every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy. If it happens to you even for a moment you will never see depression (with any of it's grades) ever again. Sounds too good to be true? Well again, if it works it doesn't matter how it sounds. > Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. If you want superficial knowledge to show off with your friends - you can read some books or talk to some people. Reality is only known by direct experience.
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      "Every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy" is not a description of anything which has ever been seen in a human. I'm certain you would be dead if every cell in your body exploded - I know this because I have seen case studies where many fewer than "every" cell in a body exploded, and the people died. Can you please explain what you mean in, y'know, terms that are scientifically believable? >> Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. > That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. So you would refuse cancer treatment that has been shown to work, and instead you would eat cucumbers for a year, because you refuse the evidence that this does not in fact treat cancer?
      - mapcars 6y ago
        Why would I refuse cancer treatment? What evidence there is against cucumbers diet?
- vertex-four 6y ago
  No, antidepressants are not addictive. I stopped taking them after tapering down for a couple of weeks (for safety) and have never had a desire for them again. We have science which shows that they do not have significant addiction potential. And to be clear, I am an addict, so I have a really good idea of what addiction feels like. Yoga does not behave in the same way as an SSRI. We have science which shows that. It might, in some cases, help some people with depression - it did not help me sufficiently. Sorry to burst your bubble.
  - mapcars 6y ago
    Tell me which type of yoga you did, for how long and who is the guru? Also if you could burst "my bubble" with a few words it worth nothing and I would not talk about it in the first place.

mapcars 6y ago

I can elaborate on that, see depression is caused by you in the end, not by circumstances (which may steer you in the direction, but finally you "do" it). See what they do in yoga is they know how to change chemistry in your body in a more natural and balanced way than antidepressants. It's the same approach but much more subtle than modern medicine can do, and I'm not saying medical thing is worthless - it is super helpful with more "physical" cases, what is called depression, anxiety, stress just involves more aspects. One thing about external chemicals (antidepressants in this case) is you may become addicted to them in many ways, while in yoga it's your own body which is doing the whole thing. > which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences Well I can also show you many other people who feel the same about kriya yoga. Unless you try it you can't know. About "Life Hacks" - what medicine is doing today 100 years people would see it as life hacks. Just that you are not comfortable with an idea that someone understands things well beyond your imagination. But what to do, if it works?

luckylion 6y ago
This sounds like you're mistaking depression for "feeling a bit down lately". "Hey, just realize how great your life is" - "Oh, wow, thanks, I'm cured". > Unless you try it you can't know. Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know.
- mapcars 6y ago
  > "Hey, just realize how great your life is" In a way this is how it is, except not in words nor in your imagination, rather in a real experience of oneness with whole rest of the Universe where every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy. If it happens to you even for a moment you will never see depression (with any of it's grades) ever again. Sounds too good to be true? Well again, if it works it doesn't matter how it sounds. > Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. If you want superficial knowledge to show off with your friends - you can read some books or talk to some people. Reality is only known by direct experience.
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    "Every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy" is not a description of anything which has ever been seen in a human. I'm certain you would be dead if every cell in your body exploded - I know this because I have seen case studies where many fewer than "every" cell in a body exploded, and the people died. Can you please explain what you mean in, y'know, terms that are scientifically believable? >> Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. > That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. So you would refuse cancer treatment that has been shown to work, and instead you would eat cucumbers for a year, because you refuse the evidence that this does not in fact treat cancer?
    - mapcars 6y ago
      Why would I refuse cancer treatment? What evidence there is against cucumbers diet?
vertex-four 6y ago
No, antidepressants are not addictive. I stopped taking them after tapering down for a couple of weeks (for safety) and have never had a desire for them again. We have science which shows that they do not have significant addiction potential. And to be clear, I am an addict, so I have a really good idea of what addiction feels like. Yoga does not behave in the same way as an SSRI. We have science which shows that. It might, in some cases, help some people with depression - it did not help me sufficiently. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- mapcars 6y ago
  Tell me which type of yoga you did, for how long and who is the guru? Also if you could burst "my bubble" with a few words it worth nothing and I would not talk about it in the first place.