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I found a way out of depression into bottomless joy by one of the modern mystics and his kriya yoga practices. So from my perspective whatever AI predicts is an

I found a way out of depression into bottomless joy by one of the modern mystics and his kriya yoga practices. So from my perspective whatever AI predicts is anyway based on modern science which does not look deep into life processes.

smallhands 6y ago
bottomless joy by one of the modern mystics and his kriya yoga practices please share detail
- mapcars 6y ago
  I specifically didn't want to share details to not do any advertisement. If you are really interested you will find all info on google.
camillomiller 6y ago
I really would like to understand what is the thought process behind downvoting this quiet, personal and respectful comment. Sometimes this community really baffles me.
- occamrazor 6y ago
  I think that the first sentence in GP is a “quiet, personal and respectful” statement of a personal experience. I doubt any reader had an issue with it. The second sentence in contrast asserts that science “dies not look deep into life processes”. This is an objective (as in non subjective, not necessarily true) statement about science without an explanation or justification to support it, and can easily be interpreted as a blanket anti-scientific position. The latter is quite unpopular on HN and is likely to attract downvotes.
- vertex-four 6y ago
  It looks an awful lot like "I know how to cure everybody's depression by Life Hacks and all medical help is worthless", which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences. Being on antidepressants for a while allowed me to turn my life around.
  - mapcars 6y ago
    I can elaborate on that, see depression is caused by you in the end, not by circumstances (which may steer you in the direction, but finally you "do" it). See what they do in yoga is they know how to change chemistry in your body in a more natural and balanced way than antidepressants. It's the same approach but much more subtle than modern medicine can do, and I'm not saying medical thing is worthless - it is super helpful with more "physical" cases, what is called depression, anxiety, stress just involves more aspects. One thing about external chemicals (antidepressants in this case) is you may become addicted to them in many ways, while in yoga it's your own body which is doing the whole thing. > which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences Well I can also show you many other people who feel the same about kriya yoga. Unless you try it you can't know. About "Life Hacks" - what medicine is doing today 100 years people would see it as life hacks. Just that you are not comfortable with an idea that someone understands things well beyond your imagination. But what to do, if it works?
    - luckylion 6y ago
      This sounds like you're mistaking depression for "feeling a bit down lately". "Hey, just realize how great your life is" - "Oh, wow, thanks, I'm cured". > Unless you try it you can't know. Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know.
      - mapcars 6y ago
        > "Hey, just realize how great your life is" In a way this is how it is, except not in words nor in your imagination, rather in a real experience of oneness with whole rest of the Universe where every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy. If it happens to you even for a moment you will never see depression (with any of it's grades) ever again. Sounds too good to be true? Well again, if it works it doesn't matter how it sounds. > Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. If you want superficial knowledge to show off with your friends - you can read some books or talk to some people. Reality is only known by direct experience.
- viraptor 6y ago
  Downvoted for the contradictory and FUDy > on modern science which does not look deep into life processes. What does "deep into life process" even mean? The more in detail you look into processes and the more systematic way you use, the closer you get to a scientific approach. If anyone is doing that, they're doing science.
  - mapcars 6y ago
    Can you point out exactly where the contradiction is? > What does "deep into life process" even mean? The problem here is modern science only looks at what can be measured. Life has parts which can not be measured and thus are missed by science. This is the same when you ask to define something - what if there is something which is not possible to define in words but at the same time one can experience it? It is still science but not modern, physical, measurable science.
yomly 6y ago
I can see some on here taking issue with this statement. My current issue with existing modern medicine is that we are very limited by what we can measure but there is a body of scientists that take the existing literature as gospel. Meanwhile we have materials which have in some shape or form been passed down throughout human history which we willing discard as their models no longer match reality. This is sometimes the right thing to do, it is also sometimes the wrong thing to do, after all - all models are wrong, some are useful. On the flipside, a broken clock is still right twice a day. Empiricism is the best we have at the moment, but we must not overlook the shortcomings of only working with things we can measure. EDIT we should not kid ourselves with research not being shaped by that which we think to measure or it being shaped by what we can currently measure today. Before we had microscopes, it was very hard to consider germs being a thing after all. The body is exquisitely complex and we barely understand the mind-body connection. Observations from as far as distressed myofascial tissue to gut flora can affect the mind so it's perfectly reasonable for me that a proportion of patients who experience depression find help via "alternative" means. I guess another way of thinking about it is that "depression" is actually far too vague a classification for an issue, especially when considering the myriad causes
- collyw 6y ago
  > we barely understand the mind-body connection Western science barely understand it, I would say that a number of Eastern practices (types of meditation, yoga for example) seem to have a better understanding. Unfortunately there is a lot of woo that gets mixed up with this, so its difficult to separate the genuinely useful stuff out.
- mapcars 6y ago
  > existing modern medicine is that we are very limited by what we can measure Something I can add to this is depression (and related states with so many names) is a subjective thing in a way that the cause is in how person sees the world. Subjective things you can't measure by definition so they only work with the consequences which can be measured like chemical changes, brain activity etc. But the source is quite different.
  - 6y ago

smallhands 6y ago

bottomless joy by one of the modern mystics and his kriya yoga practices please share detail

mapcars 6y ago
I specifically didn't want to share details to not do any advertisement. If you are really interested you will find all info on google.

camillomiller 6y ago

I really would like to understand what is the thought process behind downvoting this quiet, personal and respectful comment. Sometimes this community really baffles me.

occamrazor 6y ago
I think that the first sentence in GP is a “quiet, personal and respectful” statement of a personal experience. I doubt any reader had an issue with it. The second sentence in contrast asserts that science “dies not look deep into life processes”. This is an objective (as in non subjective, not necessarily true) statement about science without an explanation or justification to support it, and can easily be interpreted as a blanket anti-scientific position. The latter is quite unpopular on HN and is likely to attract downvotes.
vertex-four 6y ago
It looks an awful lot like "I know how to cure everybody's depression by Life Hacks and all medical help is worthless", which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences. Being on antidepressants for a while allowed me to turn my life around.
- mapcars 6y ago
  I can elaborate on that, see depression is caused by you in the end, not by circumstances (which may steer you in the direction, but finally you "do" it). See what they do in yoga is they know how to change chemistry in your body in a more natural and balanced way than antidepressants. It's the same approach but much more subtle than modern medicine can do, and I'm not saying medical thing is worthless - it is super helpful with more "physical" cases, what is called depression, anxiety, stress just involves more aspects. One thing about external chemicals (antidepressants in this case) is you may become addicted to them in many ways, while in yoga it's your own body which is doing the whole thing. > which does not square with my (or many other people's) experiences Well I can also show you many other people who feel the same about kriya yoga. Unless you try it you can't know. About "Life Hacks" - what medicine is doing today 100 years people would see it as life hacks. Just that you are not comfortable with an idea that someone understands things well beyond your imagination. But what to do, if it works?
  - luckylion 6y ago
    This sounds like you're mistaking depression for "feeling a bit down lately". "Hey, just realize how great your life is" - "Oh, wow, thanks, I'm cured". > Unless you try it you can't know. Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know.
    - mapcars 6y ago
      > "Hey, just realize how great your life is" In a way this is how it is, except not in words nor in your imagination, rather in a real experience of oneness with whole rest of the Universe where every cell in your body explodes with ecstasy. If it happens to you even for a moment you will never see depression (with any of it's grades) ever again. Sounds too good to be true? Well again, if it works it doesn't matter how it sounds. > Yeah, the same is true for curing cancer by eating nothing but cucumbers for a year. Unless you try it, you can't know. That is, if you are interested in genuine knowledge. If you want superficial knowledge to show off with your friends - you can read some books or talk to some people. Reality is only known by direct experience.
viraptor 6y ago
Downvoted for the contradictory and FUDy > on modern science which does not look deep into life processes. What does "deep into life process" even mean? The more in detail you look into processes and the more systematic way you use, the closer you get to a scientific approach. If anyone is doing that, they're doing science.
- mapcars 6y ago
  Can you point out exactly where the contradiction is? > What does "deep into life process" even mean? The problem here is modern science only looks at what can be measured. Life has parts which can not be measured and thus are missed by science. This is the same when you ask to define something - what if there is something which is not possible to define in words but at the same time one can experience it? It is still science but not modern, physical, measurable science.

yomly 6y ago

I can see some on here taking issue with this statement. My current issue with existing modern medicine is that we are very limited by what we can measure but there is a body of scientists that take the existing literature as gospel. Meanwhile we have materials which have in some shape or form been passed down throughout human history which we willing discard as their models no longer match reality. This is sometimes the right thing to do, it is also sometimes the wrong thing to do, after all - all models are wrong, some are useful. On the flipside, a broken clock is still right twice a day. Empiricism is the best we have at the moment, but we must not overlook the shortcomings of only working with things we can measure. EDIT we should not kid ourselves with research not being shaped by that which we think to measure or it being shaped by what we can currently measure today. Before we had microscopes, it was very hard to consider germs being a thing after all. The body is exquisitely complex and we barely understand the mind-body connection. Observations from as far as distressed myofascial tissue to gut flora can affect the mind so it's perfectly reasonable for me that a proportion of patients who experience depression find help via "alternative" means. I guess another way of thinking about it is that "depression" is actually far too vague a classification for an issue, especially when considering the myriad causes

collyw 6y ago
> we barely understand the mind-body connection Western science barely understand it, I would say that a number of Eastern practices (types of meditation, yoga for example) seem to have a better understanding. Unfortunately there is a lot of woo that gets mixed up with this, so its difficult to separate the genuinely useful stuff out.
mapcars 6y ago
> existing modern medicine is that we are very limited by what we can measure Something I can add to this is depression (and related states with so many names) is a subjective thing in a way that the cause is in how person sees the world. Subjective things you can't measure by definition so they only work with the consequences which can be measured like chemical changes, brain activity etc. But the source is quite different.
- 6y ago