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I've never heard of Chapo Trap House before, apparently it's a "dirtbag left" podcast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapo_Trap_House https://en.wikipedia.org/

I've never heard of Chapo Trap House before, apparently it's a "dirtbag left" podcast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapo_Trap_House https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapo_Trap_House Am I being too cynical to assume it was singled out in the comms so Reddit can pretend to be fair and balanced, when the actual target was r/The_Donald?

zozbot234 6y ago
It could well be the other way around. Progressive activists hate the hard-hitting 'dirtbag' left, they see it as a dangerous threat to their own worldview. BTW, discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679425
- mcv 6y ago
  Not so much a threat to the progressive worldview, but a threat to progressive politics having a positive impact. From what I understand, the 'dirtbag left' consider themselves the gatekeepers of progressive politics, and do a good job of alienating as many other people as possible. The Trumpists of the left, sounds like a reasonable description. Some argue they were a big part of the reason why Bernie's campaign was unable to find much traction outside his core. Of course they blame it on others, even calling other progressives, like Elizabeth Warren, traitors.
  - andybak 6y ago
    I'm really conflicted on this. On one hand I wish we could improve civic discourse and dialogue and combat tribalism in politics but on the other I recognize that one of the factors that seems to have led to the rise of the alt-right is that the left just vacated a space that appeals to a large group of people - impolite, combative and (sometimes) witty. When I was growing up it was natural for rebellious, cynical young people to be drawn to this kind of politics. That hasn't changed but now it seems to alarmingly be the primary recruiting tool for a particular brand of regressive politics. I understand these two impulses are probably in direct opposition. I can't want both but I also fear what will happen if we lose a chunk of an entire generation to the far right.
    - KONAir 6y ago
      Obama made the best warning/observation (better than any during his presidency imho) it turned into a circular firing squad.
    - mcv 6y ago
      Impolite, combative and witty is fine, and there's plenty of that among progressives. It's the step towards destructive and burning all bridges, that I don't like. I also believe in democracy, and want a society that works for everybody, and not just a small in-crowd. Maybe it's because I'm not as young as I was in my punk days. But it's also that I care more about results than about ideological purity. Compromises are unavoidable. Nobody can have exactly everything they want, because you're not the only person in the world, and we've got to do this together.
      - andybak 6y ago
        Agree. I've noticed that the word "centrist" seems to have been irreparably tainted to mean something like "crypto-conservative" and seems to be a target of bile more than being, you know, an actual conservative. (Good old Judean People's Front behaviour from the left as always). But I wish it could be reclaimed to mean "willing to compromise to move forward" and "doesn't regard anyone who disagrees with him as either a crook or an imbecile".
wtallis 6y ago
I regularly check the comment history of reddit users when I come across a particularly egregious trolling comment on subreddits like /r/news and /r/politics. Users who frequented /r/ChapoTrapHouse are a real problem, and lately I'd been seeing that subreddit in people's comment history more often than /r/The_Donald (which had withered considerably from its peak). This isn't a case of Reddit simply picking an obscure target for the sake of "balance"; they were going after a real problem.
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  With the subreddit(s) gone there will be no comment history. You've now lost signal, some added context. We all have. The subreddit(s) isn't the problem. It's a symptom. Extremists feed on marginalization. It's a rallying cry. Reddit has served its community. Fair enough. But it's ultimately a balloon grab. There will be unintended consequences. Further marginalizing the frustrated won't stop those feelings.
2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
CTH is basically the radical left version of TD. They're hateful and toxic. I've been told I should be murdered for not supporting m4a for example- and I'm a Democrat! That's not the language reasonable people use when discussing opposing views. Good riddance.
- cameronh90 6y ago
  "I've been told I should be murdered for not supporting m4a for example" Crazy. You'd have thought the hard left would prefer ogg.
  - mijoharas 6y ago
    For other people that did some googling and couldn't immediately find it, m4a stands for medicare for all. (took me longer than it should have to find that...)

zozbot234 6y ago

It could well be the other way around. Progressive activists hate the hard-hitting 'dirtbag' left, they see it as a dangerous threat to their own worldview. BTW, discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23679425

mcv 6y ago
Not so much a threat to the progressive worldview, but a threat to progressive politics having a positive impact. From what I understand, the 'dirtbag left' consider themselves the gatekeepers of progressive politics, and do a good job of alienating as many other people as possible. The Trumpists of the left, sounds like a reasonable description. Some argue they were a big part of the reason why Bernie's campaign was unable to find much traction outside his core. Of course they blame it on others, even calling other progressives, like Elizabeth Warren, traitors.
- andybak 6y ago
  I'm really conflicted on this. On one hand I wish we could improve civic discourse and dialogue and combat tribalism in politics but on the other I recognize that one of the factors that seems to have led to the rise of the alt-right is that the left just vacated a space that appeals to a large group of people - impolite, combative and (sometimes) witty. When I was growing up it was natural for rebellious, cynical young people to be drawn to this kind of politics. That hasn't changed but now it seems to alarmingly be the primary recruiting tool for a particular brand of regressive politics. I understand these two impulses are probably in direct opposition. I can't want both but I also fear what will happen if we lose a chunk of an entire generation to the far right.
  - KONAir 6y ago
    Obama made the best warning/observation (better than any during his presidency imho) it turned into a circular firing squad.
  - mcv 6y ago
    Impolite, combative and witty is fine, and there's plenty of that among progressives. It's the step towards destructive and burning all bridges, that I don't like. I also believe in democracy, and want a society that works for everybody, and not just a small in-crowd. Maybe it's because I'm not as young as I was in my punk days. But it's also that I care more about results than about ideological purity. Compromises are unavoidable. Nobody can have exactly everything they want, because you're not the only person in the world, and we've got to do this together.
    - andybak 6y ago
      Agree. I've noticed that the word "centrist" seems to have been irreparably tainted to mean something like "crypto-conservative" and seems to be a target of bile more than being, you know, an actual conservative. (Good old Judean People's Front behaviour from the left as always). But I wish it could be reclaimed to mean "willing to compromise to move forward" and "doesn't regard anyone who disagrees with him as either a crook or an imbecile".

wtallis 6y ago

I regularly check the comment history of reddit users when I come across a particularly egregious trolling comment on subreddits like /r/news and /r/politics. Users who frequented /r/ChapoTrapHouse are a real problem, and lately I'd been seeing that subreddit in people's comment history more often than /r/The_Donald (which had withered considerably from its peak). This isn't a case of Reddit simply picking an obscure target for the sake of "balance"; they were going after a real problem.

chiefalchemist 6y ago
With the subreddit(s) gone there will be no comment history. You've now lost signal, some added context. We all have. The subreddit(s) isn't the problem. It's a symptom. Extremists feed on marginalization. It's a rallying cry. Reddit has served its community. Fair enough. But it's ultimately a balloon grab. There will be unintended consequences. Further marginalizing the frustrated won't stop those feelings.

2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago

CTH is basically the radical left version of TD. They're hateful and toxic. I've been told I should be murdered for not supporting m4a for example- and I'm a Democrat! That's not the language reasonable people use when discussing opposing views. Good riddance.

cameronh90 6y ago
"I've been told I should be murdered for not supporting m4a for example" Crazy. You'd have thought the hard left would prefer ogg.
- mijoharas 6y ago
  For other people that did some googling and couldn't immediately find it, m4a stands for medicare for all. (took me longer than it should have to find that...)