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I don't know enough about Russia to speak about it, but China's goals are pretty clear. They're aiming to raise the standard of living in China massively, worki

by fiblye 6y ago

I don't know enough about Russia to speak about it, but China's goals are pretty clear. They're aiming to raise the standard of living in China massively, working towards one united and uniform Chinese cultural identity, and spreading Chinese culture around the world through economic and social means. Another big one is trying to earn China respect as a nation and undoing the reputation of being poor, dirty, and being an exporter of junk, and one big way they're aiming for that is through tech exports and scientific research. The government has clear ideals. The problem is the ways they're going about achieving them and whether some of them (like erasing the separate cultures within their borders) is justifiable.

baybal2 6y ago
> They're aiming to raise the standard of living in China massively Haha > working towards one united and uniform Chinese cultural identity, Haha Ask any middle class Chinese citizen earning his cup of rice. If you really believe that, lots of Chinese grannies are laughing at you now.
- fiblye 6y ago
  Ask any Chinese person whether the quality of life is better now than 5 years ago, and they'll say yes. Ask them if it's better than 10 years ago and they'll say of course. Ask a grandma if it's better than 50 years ago, and she'll think you're insane for even doubting that it's better. People have trains, food, houses, and smartphones as a baseline with many taking international trips. A couple decades ago, China was incredibly poor. Their modern lifestyle was unimaginable, which is why the CCP has no trouble maintaining stability. And China is chipping away at its various cultures and pushing for one Mandarin-speaking Han identity and achieving that goal quite quickly. I have no clue what point you're trying to make.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    I can call ten Chinese citizens now, of all walk of life, including non rank holding CPC member, and small time public servants. They will laugh you out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6UuF85ENA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6UuF85ENA
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    It's crazy that at the time of the handover, Hong Kong accounted for about 20% of China's GDP. Today, it's just 2.7%

by fiblye 6y ago

baybal2 6y ago

> They're aiming to raise the standard of living in China massively Haha > working towards one united and uniform Chinese cultural identity, Haha Ask any middle class Chinese citizen earning his cup of rice. If you really believe that, lots of Chinese grannies are laughing at you now.

fiblye 6y ago
Ask any Chinese person whether the quality of life is better now than 5 years ago, and they'll say yes. Ask them if it's better than 10 years ago and they'll say of course. Ask a grandma if it's better than 50 years ago, and she'll think you're insane for even doubting that it's better. People have trains, food, houses, and smartphones as a baseline with many taking international trips. A couple decades ago, China was incredibly poor. Their modern lifestyle was unimaginable, which is why the CCP has no trouble maintaining stability. And China is chipping away at its various cultures and pushing for one Mandarin-speaking Han identity and achieving that goal quite quickly. I have no clue what point you're trying to make.
- baybal2 6y ago
  I can call ten Chinese citizens now, of all walk of life, including non rank holding CPC member, and small time public servants. They will laugh you out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6UuF85ENA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6UuF85ENA
- arcticbull 6y ago
  It's crazy that at the time of the handover, Hong Kong accounted for about 20% of China's GDP. Today, it's just 2.7%