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That's the beauty of Macs: they are (or were) reliable for at least a decade, unless Apple decides to drop software support for them. Waiting was never a proble

That's the beauty of Macs: they are (or were) reliable for at least a decade, unless Apple decides to drop software support for them. Waiting was never a problem for Macs. It's the architecture transitions that kills them. The new Mac Pro is not even shipped, it's basically obsolete now. Or in two years, if Apple keeps their promise.

grzm 6y ago
The new Mac Pro has indeed shipped. It was released in December 2019, and people started receiving them months ago. And “it’s basically obsolete now” stands in apparent contradiction to “they are reliable for at least a decade, unless Apple decides to drop software support for them”, which Apple has made clear they’re not looking to do with the transition to Apple Silicon. Reliability doesn’t necessarily play a role here at all. For some users, the trash can Mac Pro did not meet their needs. The 2019 Mac Pro is a completely different beast. The last machine I’d argue that was comparable was the 1st generation, which no longer supported the most recent versions of macOS.
- dschuetz 6y ago
  Would you still buy software for "the beast" knowing that software support will be dropped anyway? I did that once, being naïve enough to believe that Rosetta (powerpc on intel) will be there forever as an option in MacOSX. Man was I dumb. Apple literally burnt $15k worth of hardware and software in front of my eyes when they announced to drop PowerPC and then Rosetta later. No. Screw that. Don't buy news Mac now. Don't make the same mistakes.
  - grzm 6y ago
    The economics may not make sense for you, but they may make sense for others for the work they’re doing. If having a fast $10K machine now will allow someone to make $500K over the next two years, that’s money well spent. If that’s not the business another is in, it may not be. And both are fine.

grzm 6y ago

The new Mac Pro has indeed shipped. It was released in December 2019, and people started receiving them months ago. And “it’s basically obsolete now” stands in apparent contradiction to “they are reliable for at least a decade, unless Apple decides to drop software support for them”, which Apple has made clear they’re not looking to do with the transition to Apple Silicon. Reliability doesn’t necessarily play a role here at all. For some users, the trash can Mac Pro did not meet their needs. The 2019 Mac Pro is a completely different beast. The last machine I’d argue that was comparable was the 1st generation, which no longer supported the most recent versions of macOS.

dschuetz 6y ago
Would you still buy software for "the beast" knowing that software support will be dropped anyway? I did that once, being naïve enough to believe that Rosetta (powerpc on intel) will be there forever as an option in MacOSX. Man was I dumb. Apple literally burnt $15k worth of hardware and software in front of my eyes when they announced to drop PowerPC and then Rosetta later. No. Screw that. Don't buy news Mac now. Don't make the same mistakes.
- grzm 6y ago
  The economics may not make sense for you, but they may make sense for others for the work they’re doing. If having a fast $10K machine now will allow someone to make $500K over the next two years, that’s money well spent. If that’s not the business another is in, it may not be. And both are fine.