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35 points by fuoqi 6y ago

fuoqi 6y ago
Russian military has preemptively started migration to Astra Linux[0] in 2018 and some say that police forces gradually migrate to it as well. So overall, I think these restrictions will be a really great motivation for those (and other) countries to built government digital infrastructure fully independent from US commercial products and instead embrace open source and domestic products. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux
- r8ru4rbfhfu 6y ago
  I'm not really sure "Better for freely oppressing your people." is a feather I wanted in the open source cap.
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    It does not matter much if Chinese mass surveillance system works on Linux or Windows, or if a racist US cop fills his report after killing a black guy in MS Office or in Libre, or if a Russian weapon system uses Linux embedded kernel instead of a proprietary one developed domestically. It's just a tool. At least with open source widely used in a government sector we would get more investments in OSS (direct and indirect, e.g. by training people), thus in the long run resulting in a better software for everyone. And we would not get pathetic vendor lock-ins, which hurt everyone except the vendor company.
- nix23 6y ago
  I tested AstraLinux and the GUI is blazing fast! Then i try d to find the sources for the Desktop and failed ;( But it works very well!
qserasera 6y ago
Not a huge fan of this
downvoteme1 6y ago
Ah, so 2020 is the year of Linux on the desktop.
- simonblack 6y ago
  Isn't every year?
  - z92 6y ago
    That was the point.
    - simonblack 6y ago
      I'm an exception. I've never had a year of Windows on the desktop. (UNIX, Linux, never Windows)
      - MR4D 6y ago
        This is the year!!! After Australian wildfires, Coronavirus, economic collapse, trade wars, and asteroids, Linux on the desktop HAS to be next!
- genoapol 6y ago
  I feel like we are doing them a favor by stopping their use of Windows and Google Play.
basementcat 6y ago
Because forcing them to use the new Macbook Pro keyboards will bring lasting political change.
ngcc_hk 6y ago
That should apply to Hong Kong from 1.7.2020 onwards.
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aussieguy1234 6y ago
Well, that prevents them from covertly inserting a backdoor into windows for spying purposes
- tempodox 6y ago
  Not at all, it just means it will be properly licensed.
phantom_oracle 6y ago
The title is misleading and covers more than just "Windows exports". I hope HN is not developing a propaganda problem like every other news/social site.
blackrock 6y ago
Ahh.. and so it begins. I made a comment similar to this, when they restricted Matlab to some random Chinese university. Why should a Chinese company invest in developing for American technology platforms, when their access to such platforms can be easily revoked on a whim. The great tech decoupling is about to begin. And if recent news about Apple migrating to ARM for their laptops prove, then the Intel/Microsoft domination is finally coming to end. Of course, they’ll always have a dominant position in western markets. But their domination in the eastern markets will end. It’s about time that the world finally has some real competition. I suspect that there will be a significant increase in software companies in China after this. And we know, that software is much easier to build than hardware. This is actually a gift. Before this, it just wasn’t profitable to build some software products like operating systems, because Microsoft dominated that field. But now that this is politicized, then this is now an existential crisis. These countries must go their own way. I suspect that in 2021, some Chinese operating system will finally emerge. Maybe the world will finally get to see what that Harmony OS is all about.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > I suspect that in 2021, some Chinese operating system will finally emerge. Maybe the world will finally get to see what that Harmony OS is all about. Complete with integrated OS-level keylogger that forwards all the users' dissident typing straight to the police for intervention. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-millions-wechat-qq-yy-data-breach-police https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-... https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/19/china-police-big-data-systems-violate-privacy-target-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/19/china-police-big-data-sy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc
  - blackrock 6y ago
    Well, you do realize that all of your communications is already transmitted to the Five Eyes? They’re just far more insidious about it. Even if you think you’re using something encrypted, the message will just get recorded and cracked later. Either with a backdoor key, or they’ll just brute force crack the key. Or, even easier, they’ll just record the metadata, then crack you with a rubber hose. So, pick your poison.
AndyMcConachie 6y ago
As an EU citizen it's always good to see the USA continue to shoot itself in the head. Let's get the world on OSS.
korginator 6y ago
Do we really expect this to make a difference to China which has a long history with IP theft? Forget theft, some of their IP regulations are just weird. I can file a patent in China even if there's prior IP or a patent elsewhere, just as long as I am the first one to file it in China. Good luck fighting this.
- MR4D 6y ago
  >Do we really expect this to make a difference to China which has a long history with IP theft? Really good question!! I think the short answer is, no, not by itself. But in conjunction with many other things, it increases the friction in transactions, making it more costly for them to achieve their goals. Rain & snow may not stop an army, but it sure will slow an army down. This is the same.

35 points by fuoqi 6y ago

Russian military has preemptively started migration to Astra Linux[0] in 2018 and some say that police forces gradually migrate to it as well. So overall, I think these restrictions will be a really great motivation for those (and other) countries to built government digital infrastructure fully independent from US commercial products and instead embrace open source and domestic products. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux

r8ru4rbfhfu 6y ago
I'm not really sure "Better for freely oppressing your people." is a feather I wanted in the open source cap.
- fuoqi 6y ago
  It does not matter much if Chinese mass surveillance system works on Linux or Windows, or if a racist US cop fills his report after killing a black guy in MS Office or in Libre, or if a Russian weapon system uses Linux embedded kernel instead of a proprietary one developed domestically. It's just a tool. At least with open source widely used in a government sector we would get more investments in OSS (direct and indirect, e.g. by training people), thus in the long run resulting in a better software for everyone. And we would not get pathetic vendor lock-ins, which hurt everyone except the vendor company.
nix23 6y ago
I tested AstraLinux and the GUI is blazing fast! Then i try d to find the sources for the Desktop and failed ;( But it works very well!

qserasera 6y ago

Not a huge fan of this

downvoteme1 6y ago

Ah, so 2020 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

simonblack 6y ago
Isn't every year?
- z92 6y ago
  That was the point.
  - simonblack 6y ago
    I'm an exception. I've never had a year of Windows on the desktop. (UNIX, Linux, never Windows)
    - MR4D 6y ago
      This is the year!!! After Australian wildfires, Coronavirus, economic collapse, trade wars, and asteroids, Linux on the desktop HAS to be next!
genoapol 6y ago
I feel like we are doing them a favor by stopping their use of Windows and Google Play.

basementcat 6y ago

Because forcing them to use the new Macbook Pro keyboards will bring lasting political change.

ngcc_hk 6y ago

That should apply to Hong Kong from 1.7.2020 onwards.

deleted 6y ago

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aussieguy1234 6y ago

Well, that prevents them from covertly inserting a backdoor into windows for spying purposes

tempodox 6y ago
Not at all, it just means it will be properly licensed.

phantom_oracle 6y ago

The title is misleading and covers more than just "Windows exports". I hope HN is not developing a propaganda problem like every other news/social site.

blackrock 6y ago

Ahh.. and so it begins. I made a comment similar to this, when they restricted Matlab to some random Chinese university. Why should a Chinese company invest in developing for American technology platforms, when their access to such platforms can be easily revoked on a whim. The great tech decoupling is about to begin. And if recent news about Apple migrating to ARM for their laptops prove, then the Intel/Microsoft domination is finally coming to end. Of course, they’ll always have a dominant position in western markets. But their domination in the eastern markets will end. It’s about time that the world finally has some real competition. I suspect that there will be a significant increase in software companies in China after this. And we know, that software is much easier to build than hardware. This is actually a gift. Before this, it just wasn’t profitable to build some software products like operating systems, because Microsoft dominated that field. But now that this is politicized, then this is now an existential crisis. These countries must go their own way. I suspect that in 2021, some Chinese operating system will finally emerge. Maybe the world will finally get to see what that Harmony OS is all about.

ardy42 6y ago
> I suspect that in 2021, some Chinese operating system will finally emerge. Maybe the world will finally get to see what that Harmony OS is all about. Complete with integrated OS-level keylogger that forwards all the users' dissident typing straight to the police for intervention. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-millions-wechat-qq-yy-data-breach-police https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-... https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/19/china-police-big-data-systems-violate-privacy-target-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/19/china-police-big-data-sy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc
- blackrock 6y ago
  Well, you do realize that all of your communications is already transmitted to the Five Eyes? They’re just far more insidious about it. Even if you think you’re using something encrypted, the message will just get recorded and cracked later. Either with a backdoor key, or they’ll just brute force crack the key. Or, even easier, they’ll just record the metadata, then crack you with a rubber hose. So, pick your poison.

AndyMcConachie 6y ago

As an EU citizen it's always good to see the USA continue to shoot itself in the head. Let's get the world on OSS.

korginator 6y ago

Do we really expect this to make a difference to China which has a long history with IP theft? Forget theft, some of their IP regulations are just weird. I can file a patent in China even if there's prior IP or a patent elsewhere, just as long as I am the first one to file it in China. Good luck fighting this.

MR4D 6y ago
>Do we really expect this to make a difference to China which has a long history with IP theft? Really good question!! I think the short answer is, no, not by itself. But in conjunction with many other things, it increases the friction in transactions, making it more costly for them to achieve their goals. Rain & snow may not stop an army, but it sure will slow an army down. This is the same.