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This seems dubious. What in world would be the mechanism? On the other hand, I don't see the harm in doing this and it seems easy to replicate. Hopefully other

This seems dubious. What in world would be the mechanism? On the other hand, I don't see the harm in doing this and it seems easy to replicate. Hopefully others will quickly try to replicate it, and if they do, try to figure out why.

jb775 6y ago
I think it seems a little dubious as well just considering the study was done with only 24 ppl. If it works, I'd imagine the mechanism is something on the cellular level, similar to how blue light disturbs sleep by stirring up activity within a certain type of retinal cell.
- SubiculumCode 6y ago
  While the sample is small, the article states "Researchers built on their previous findings in mice, bumblebees and fruit flies, which all found significant improvements in the function of the retina's photoreceptors when their eyes were exposed to 670 nanometre (long wavelength) deep red light." This might not be so out-of-the-blue implausible.
briefcomment 6y ago
Red light is established as a powerful trigger of cell repair mechanisms. Sunlight is a massive source of red light (and other colors) and if you stay indoors as much as the average person does, shining artificial red light on yourself may help make up for deficiencies.
- klipt 6y ago
  Wow, it even decreases dementia? Crazy https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/red-light-therapy https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/red-light... I guess the new LED bulbs miss a lot of frequencies that were present in incandescent (black body radiation) bulbs. I wonder if we'll see a bunch of "light frequency deficiency" diseases arising as a result.
  - trophycase 6y ago
    It's not implausible. How many modern "ailments" are simply the result of not doing what our bodies were adapted to.
    - verdverm 6y ago
      This is why I bought a squatty potty and make sure to walk for an hour most days. Physical evolution does not keep up so well with modern society's pace of change and understandings therein.
      - jodrellblank 6y ago
        Evolution is trying to kill you off; if you want it to work faster, stop fighting it!
      - chadcmulligan 6y ago
        > walk for an hour most days I've started doing the 10,000+ steps for a couple of years, and yes there does seem to be a difference to my health and energy.
        saiya-jin 6y ago
        Why shouldn't it, all parts of the body needs a frequent stimulation, otherwise process of minimizing energy output (ie for tissue maintenance, repair of muscles and joints, etc.) kicks in. Our bodies are a bit dumb in this, albeit with good intentions - momentarily preserve energy, make body weaker long term. It made sense in the past though, otherwise we wouldn't be probably here.
        chadcmulligan 6y ago
        Yes indeed, its interesting the different quantities I've noticed - like up to 17,000 my body really ramps up, I could do that every day, and often do, but I did 30,000 the other day I was tired the next day. Though when I started 5,000 was a major achievement. I'd love to see wider studies on this, like do muscles change? and how etc. I guess sports science focuses on athletes, Is there much average Joe science? apart from weight loss. I'm amazed also at how easy walking is, and how little calories I burn walking - which is why I started - to lose a few pounds.
kart23 6y ago
Do a bit of reading on the mitochondria, ATP and the electron transport chain. I still don't understand exactly the mechanism, but it seems that our cells might share some characteristics with photosynthetic cells, and certain kinds of light might increase energy production on a cellular level. From what I remember in bio class, light energy sets off chain reactions by displacing electrons in photosynthetic cells. This paper was from 2008, and they specifically call out low-intensity red light and near-infrared light. Seems like this idea has been floating around for a while now, and somewhat well backed up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996814/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996814/ https://photosynthesiseducation.com/photosynthesis-in-plants/ https://photosynthesiseducation.com/photosynthesis-in-plants...
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- troughway 6y ago
  If only more people would take the time to read the existing literature and studies before they say things like "this is dubious" without having a shred of understanding what it is they are talking about.
ponker 6y ago
Mechanisms are not always obvious. 40 Hertz blinking light has been conclusively proven/replicated to reduce amyloid plaques in mice, which may offer a path towards Alzheimer’s treatment. Most people wouldn’t have believed you before the replications succeeded.
- dwheeler 6y ago
  I agree, mechanisms are not always obvious. In the short term the only thing that matters is, "does it work?" If a larger study replicates the positive benefits of red light, well then, let's use it for that purpose!! But I would like to know why...!
plutonorm 6y ago
I read a paper a while back that suggested it improved mitochondrial function.

jb775 6y ago

I think it seems a little dubious as well just considering the study was done with only 24 ppl. If it works, I'd imagine the mechanism is something on the cellular level, similar to how blue light disturbs sleep by stirring up activity within a certain type of retinal cell.

SubiculumCode 6y ago
While the sample is small, the article states "Researchers built on their previous findings in mice, bumblebees and fruit flies, which all found significant improvements in the function of the retina's photoreceptors when their eyes were exposed to 670 nanometre (long wavelength) deep red light." This might not be so out-of-the-blue implausible.

briefcomment 6y ago

Red light is established as a powerful trigger of cell repair mechanisms. Sunlight is a massive source of red light (and other colors) and if you stay indoors as much as the average person does, shining artificial red light on yourself may help make up for deficiencies.

klipt 6y ago
Wow, it even decreases dementia? Crazy https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/red-light-therapy https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/red-light... I guess the new LED bulbs miss a lot of frequencies that were present in incandescent (black body radiation) bulbs. I wonder if we'll see a bunch of "light frequency deficiency" diseases arising as a result.
- trophycase 6y ago
  It's not implausible. How many modern "ailments" are simply the result of not doing what our bodies were adapted to.
  - verdverm 6y ago
    This is why I bought a squatty potty and make sure to walk for an hour most days. Physical evolution does not keep up so well with modern society's pace of change and understandings therein.
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      Evolution is trying to kill you off; if you want it to work faster, stop fighting it!
    - chadcmulligan 6y ago
      > walk for an hour most days I've started doing the 10,000+ steps for a couple of years, and yes there does seem to be a difference to my health and energy.
      - saiya-jin 6y ago
        Why shouldn't it, all parts of the body needs a frequent stimulation, otherwise process of minimizing energy output (ie for tissue maintenance, repair of muscles and joints, etc.) kicks in. Our bodies are a bit dumb in this, albeit with good intentions - momentarily preserve energy, make body weaker long term. It made sense in the past though, otherwise we wouldn't be probably here.
        chadcmulligan 6y ago
        Yes indeed, its interesting the different quantities I've noticed - like up to 17,000 my body really ramps up, I could do that every day, and often do, but I did 30,000 the other day I was tired the next day. Though when I started 5,000 was a major achievement. I'd love to see wider studies on this, like do muscles change? and how etc. I guess sports science focuses on athletes, Is there much average Joe science? apart from weight loss. I'm amazed also at how easy walking is, and how little calories I burn walking - which is why I started - to lose a few pounds.

kart23 6y ago

Do a bit of reading on the mitochondria, ATP and the electron transport chain. I still don't understand exactly the mechanism, but it seems that our cells might share some characteristics with photosynthetic cells, and certain kinds of light might increase energy production on a cellular level. From what I remember in bio class, light energy sets off chain reactions by displacing electrons in photosynthetic cells. This paper was from 2008, and they specifically call out low-intensity red light and near-infrared light. Seems like this idea has been floating around for a while now, and somewhat well backed up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996814/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996814/ https://photosynthesiseducation.com/photosynthesis-in-plants/ https://photosynthesiseducation.com/photosynthesis-in-plants...

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troughway 6y ago
If only more people would take the time to read the existing literature and studies before they say things like "this is dubious" without having a shred of understanding what it is they are talking about.

ponker 6y ago

Mechanisms are not always obvious. 40 Hertz blinking light has been conclusively proven/replicated to reduce amyloid plaques in mice, which may offer a path towards Alzheimer’s treatment. Most people wouldn’t have believed you before the replications succeeded.

dwheeler 6y ago
I agree, mechanisms are not always obvious. In the short term the only thing that matters is, "does it work?" If a larger study replicates the positive benefits of red light, well then, let's use it for that purpose!! But I would like to know why...!

plutonorm 6y ago

I read a paper a while back that suggested it improved mitochondrial function.