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Fantastic comment. Kudos. I think this is also highly relevant to perceptions of the value of higher education within programmer circles. I can see how CMU's
by throwawaygh 6y ago
Fantastic comment. Kudos.
I think this is also highly relevant to perceptions of the value of higher education within programmer circles.
I can see how CMU's Systems or Theory courses might seem like a complete waste of time outside of the Industry Cluster, where you really don't need to know all that stuff. But I also see the fairly obscene 10x+ difference between the "first job out of undergrad at NoName" programmer salaries and the "first job out of PhD school at MIT" programmer salaries.
- jolux 6y agoI’m confused, first job out of undergrad vs first job out of a PhD is going to have a massive salary difference in any field and from any two decent schools. What am I missing?
- paulcole 6y agoUhhh, “any field” that isn’t a humanities field maybe.
- jolux 6y ago“nothing” vs “something” is a pretty big difference
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- ehnto 6y agoAre you suggesting no one but MIT PhD grads get jobs?
- jolux 6y agoNope.
- ehnto 6y agoCould you be more clear then, the GP comment is already causing enough confusion.
- thaumasiotes 6y agoThe comment states pretty clearly that fresh PhDs looking for jobs in the humanities enjoy the advantage of "something" over the "nothing" that fresh BAs get. That isn't a difference of 10x -- it's much better. In the terms of your first comment, the suggestion is that fresh bachelors trying to work in humanities don't get jobs. MIT was not mentioned.
- ghaff 6y agoPeople who major in humanities do get jobs. I know a ton of them--albeit mostly from good schools. And they're not in retail or whatever. There just isn't necessarily the clear career path that there is with, say, a CS degree and the entry salary is probably not nearly as good. A PhD in English lit or whatever basically only makes sense if you want to teach and that's not a great track these days.
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- throwawaygh 6y ago> What am I missing? >> 10x
- quelltext 6y agoThat depends on your PhD research area (even if in CS) and country. In many countries PhDs are only valuable in academia and industrial research institutes, but your salary is capped quite a bit long term. In Asia a new grad fresh out of college is seen as more employable than a new PhD grad by most companies and salary differences would be minimal. I wouldn't recommend doing a PhD if you're out for a high salary there. On the other hand in some European countries just having any PhD degree will open up career paths and salaries unavailable to non PhDs regardless of actual skills.
- jolux 6y agoI was speaking specifically about the US. In the US, such a degree signals dedication and work ethic at the very least.
- C1sc0cat 6y agoBut your still going to make more on average with a BSC in a FANG in industry than a PhD at a tier 1 RnD place like JPL ? CERN. I know as I started work at the worlds leading Research association for hydrodynamics and left for the commercial world as the pay was so bad.
- indemnity 6y agoI work for a German multinational, can confirm. You will not easily be reaching upper management without a PhD. I can’t think of any C levels or one level below that aren’t credentialed as such.
- anonymoushn 6y ago"first job out of undergrad at NoName" is like 150k all-in I think. So I'm surprised if it's 10x.
- throwawaygh 6y agoThe average at our NoName was in the 60s.