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I have seen practically this same post on /Pol/ and I really appreciate NOT having it on HN.

core-questions 6y ago
Your post is a symptom of the problem. If you can't read a paragraph like that without experiencing an emotional reaction and a need to hide it from yourself and others, it is you who is immature and should stay out of discussion forums, not the other poster. No rude words were used; the hide comment button is right there if you'd like to close it and the tree stemming from it and move on. Posts like your own really strike me as having essentially the emotional maturity of a small child - if you don't like something, you want to hit it, or cry to an authority to hit it for you. Actually engaging with the comment, or having the strength to accept that people post stuff you don't like and moving on, are obviously just a little bit too difficult for some folks.
- puranjay 6y ago
  I like this forum to not be filled with propaganda and conspiracy theories, especially those that completely absolve the actual culprits of their crimes. Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America. That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing. And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate even as you completely forget that America's decline started the day it decided to spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by trillions more on bailouts in 2008. Dick Cheney and Wall Street would find that very convenient!
  - core-questions 6y ago
    > Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America. > That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing It's a position. There are plenty of legitimate critiques of Marxism, this debate is not new in America, and was once taken much more seriously by people in positions of power. It's still a legitimate topic of conversation. If you want backing, if you genuinely want to know why someone thinks that, get into it with them. If you disagree, or don't care, you downvote/hide and move on. Appealing to a moderator or banning people outright leads you into your own echo chamber. > And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate Every group always creates an outgroup enemy to hate. You should think about who your own might be. > America's decline started the day it decided to spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by trillions more on bailouts in 2008. I don't see how this is germane to the conversation, but it's a position, and I'm certainly in massive agreement that almost all of the foreign wars America has fought have been a massive waste of work, wealth, and life. I'm certainly in favour of fighting fewer of them. It's a pity that neither American party agrees on that account. > Dick Cheney and Wall Street would find that very convenient! Who is it that you suppose still likes Dick Cheney? Do you think that the same people who decry Marxist central control of the economy like the Fed and big banks having central control of the economy? There's more nuance to it than that, surely. If only there was a place to talk about these things and openly and honestly learn new facets about them without being banned for questioning the wrong thing.
0x8BADF00D 6y ago
> “[There will be a promise of] all kinds of goodies and paradise on earth to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a big brother government in Washington, D.C., with benevolent dictators who’ll promise lots of things. Never mind if the promises are fulfilled or not.” Yuri Bezmenov is almost prophetic, given that he was speaking of our current era in the early 80s. He predicted the decline of the United States way before anyone else.
- puranjay 6y ago
  The decline of the US was not triggered by "marxists". It was triggered by a disastrous, two decade long war in Afghanistan and Iraq, followed by an economic catastrophe where the culprits went completely unpunished. Unironically, the decline of the US is being caused by wanton neoliberal capitalism. Marxism didn't lead to a $6 trillion war and trillion dollar bailouts. The reason I dislike seeing posts like this on HN is because they completely absolve the neoliberals of their guilt and paint an imaginary fall guy as the culprit. It's precisely what Wall Street and the military-industrial complex want.
pnako 6y ago
You don't like mixing your information sources?

Your post is a symptom of the problem. If you can't read a paragraph like that without experiencing an emotional reaction and a need to hide it from yourself and others, it is you who is immature and should stay out of discussion forums, not the other poster. No rude words were used; the hide comment button is right there if you'd like to close it and the tree stemming from it and move on. Posts like your own really strike me as having essentially the emotional maturity of a small child - if you don't like something, you want to hit it, or cry to an authority to hit it for you. Actually engaging with the comment, or having the strength to accept that people post stuff you don't like and moving on, are obviously just a little bit too difficult for some folks.

puranjay 6y ago
I like this forum to not be filled with propaganda and conspiracy theories, especially those that completely absolve the actual culprits of their crimes. Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America. That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing. And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate even as you completely forget that America's decline started the day it decided to spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by trillions more on bailouts in 2008. Dick Cheney and Wall Street would find that very convenient!
- core-questions 6y ago
  > Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America. > That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing It's a position. There are plenty of legitimate critiques of Marxism, this debate is not new in America, and was once taken much more seriously by people in positions of power. It's still a legitimate topic of conversation. If you want backing, if you genuinely want to know why someone thinks that, get into it with them. If you disagree, or don't care, you downvote/hide and move on. Appealing to a moderator or banning people outright leads you into your own echo chamber. > And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate Every group always creates an outgroup enemy to hate. You should think about who your own might be. > America's decline started the day it decided to spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by trillions more on bailouts in 2008. I don't see how this is germane to the conversation, but it's a position, and I'm certainly in massive agreement that almost all of the foreign wars America has fought have been a massive waste of work, wealth, and life. I'm certainly in favour of fighting fewer of them. It's a pity that neither American party agrees on that account. > Dick Cheney and Wall Street would find that very convenient! Who is it that you suppose still likes Dick Cheney? Do you think that the same people who decry Marxist central control of the economy like the Fed and big banks having central control of the economy? There's more nuance to it than that, surely. If only there was a place to talk about these things and openly and honestly learn new facets about them without being banned for questioning the wrong thing.

0x8BADF00D 6y ago

> “[There will be a promise of] all kinds of goodies and paradise on earth to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a big brother government in Washington, D.C., with benevolent dictators who’ll promise lots of things. Never mind if the promises are fulfilled or not.” Yuri Bezmenov is almost prophetic, given that he was speaking of our current era in the early 80s. He predicted the decline of the United States way before anyone else.

puranjay 6y ago
The decline of the US was not triggered by "marxists". It was triggered by a disastrous, two decade long war in Afghanistan and Iraq, followed by an economic catastrophe where the culprits went completely unpunished. Unironically, the decline of the US is being caused by wanton neoliberal capitalism. Marxism didn't lead to a $6 trillion war and trillion dollar bailouts. The reason I dislike seeing posts like this on HN is because they completely absolve the neoliberals of their guilt and paint an imaginary fall guy as the culprit. It's precisely what Wall Street and the military-industrial complex want.

pnako 6y ago

You don't like mixing your information sources?