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How is that different from FB/Google's login services? The only apps that are required to support Sign in with Apple are those that also support FB/G/etc sign

How is that different from FB/Google's login services? The only apps that are required to support Sign in with Apple are those that also support FB/G/etc sign in, so those companies have already chosen a path...

nicky0 6y ago
It's not, which is why they are also removing FB login.
stickfigure 6y ago
Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link. Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed. Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.
- jmisavage 6y ago
  When you use Apple's Sign In it flat out asks whether you want to use your real email or an anonymous one. The user is purposely says, "Hey, Apple get in the middle I don't trust these clowns."
  - jakear 6y ago
    HN... where people go to complain about both companies requiring access your email, and companies requiring you to be able to block other companies from access to your email. I don’t get it.
  - kergonath 6y ago
    Exactly! Which is as it should be. Way too many websites take for granted that they can do anything with the email addresses provided, including sending spam by default or with no way of opting out. With Sign In with Apple, if they don’t get in my email, that’s because I don’t want them to have it. Then, their poor marketing practices are irrelevant, which actually makes me more likely to create an account on their website.
  - aayush-jain 6y ago
    Many apps also don't want to have the hassle of securely managing user login details.
- sixstringtheory 6y ago
  Not sure about Google auth, but I created a Spotify account with their FB login years ago. About 1.5 years ago I wanted to decouple them, but they have no way to do it. I had to create an entirely new account. Not sure if it's a technical limitation or just a case of Spotify not prioritizing it, but their support tech did relate to me that they had lots of those switches occurring at the time.
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- jbarches 6y ago
  Facebook does not guarantee an email address, either. (Just went through this process with Apple/Google/Facebook/Email auth - even using Firebase Auth library - surprising how many edge cases there were).

nicky0 6y ago

It's not, which is why they are also removing FB login.

stickfigure 6y ago

Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link. Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed. Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.

jmisavage 6y ago
When you use Apple's Sign In it flat out asks whether you want to use your real email or an anonymous one. The user is purposely says, "Hey, Apple get in the middle I don't trust these clowns."
- jakear 6y ago
  HN... where people go to complain about both companies requiring access your email, and companies requiring you to be able to block other companies from access to your email. I don’t get it.
- kergonath 6y ago
  Exactly! Which is as it should be. Way too many websites take for granted that they can do anything with the email addresses provided, including sending spam by default or with no way of opting out. With Sign In with Apple, if they don’t get in my email, that’s because I don’t want them to have it. Then, their poor marketing practices are irrelevant, which actually makes me more likely to create an account on their website.
- aayush-jain 6y ago
  Many apps also don't want to have the hassle of securely managing user login details.
sixstringtheory 6y ago
Not sure about Google auth, but I created a Spotify account with their FB login years ago. About 1.5 years ago I wanted to decouple them, but they have no way to do it. I had to create an entirely new account. Not sure if it's a technical limitation or just a case of Spotify not prioritizing it, but their support tech did relate to me that they had lots of those switches occurring at the time.
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jbarches 6y ago
Facebook does not guarantee an email address, either. (Just went through this process with Apple/Google/Facebook/Email auth - even using Firebase Auth library - surprising how many edge cases there were).