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I'm not sure why it matters if prominent people believe in what is ostensibly a conspiracy theory. Alex Jones was prominent, but that doesn't mean chemicals in

I'm not sure why it matters if prominent people believe in what is ostensibly a conspiracy theory. Alex Jones was prominent, but that doesn't mean chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay for example. In fact you should be placing more scrutiny on prominent people (politicians especially) for pushing such a thing, because usually they have an agenda they're trying to push. The fact that you chose to accuse someone of denying such a thing as parroting CCP propaganda indicates either your story is entirely fake or you're just an asshole.

Tiltowait-- 6y ago
The thing about Alex Jones is that he takes about 18 hours of reading and condenses it into about 7 words. Turning the frogs gay Evidence suggests that pharmaceuticals are making their way into waste water and altering the hormones of amphibious animals. They're reading all our emails The NSA turned off encryption methods on American communications, which were previously in place, after 9/11 with the implementation of the patriot act Interdimensional space vampires Elites believe that the world was 'seeded' by aliens, they are pagans who have two kinds of holidays. Those that require sexual sacrifice, and those that require blood. Parroting communist propaganda? Remember the "dotard" remark that was literal propaganda and was picked up and parroted by people who knew better?
accountwhatever 6y ago
Funnily enough, Alex Jones' statement is mostly true: "Hayes and his colleagues raised 40 male African clawed frogs in water containing atrazine, from when they were larvae all the way up until sexual maturity. The atrazine levels were about what the frogs would experience in environments where the pesticide is used, and below levels that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency considers safe for drinking water. They compared this atrazine-exposed group with 40 other male frogs reared in atrazine-free water. At the end of the experiment, all frogs in the atrazine-free group remained male, while 10 percent of the frogs exposed to atrazine were completely feminized — their genes said they should be male, but they had female anatomy, including ovaries. The feminized frogs were able to mate with males and produce viable eggs." https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs...
narrator 6y ago
"The fact that you chose to accuse someone of denying such a thing as parroting CCP propaganda indicates either your story is entirely fake or you're just an asshole." I was using her reasoning to make a ludicrous argument similar to the one she made to show her the flaw in the argument and her method of reasoning. I don't actually believe that and made it clear to her when I explained the association fallacy. The only way to argue against someone using a fallacious arguing technique, which can be used to prove anything, is to use that arguing technique to prove the opposite or something ridiculous.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  I mean, you countered her reasoning by committing multiple fallacies of your own. You strawmanned her ('That people denying this are parroting CCP propaganda and the CCP does all this horrible stuff.') and did an appeal to authority ('I then said many prominent people such as Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeo said this theory is credible'). You did so in a way that was enough to make her cry by your own admission.
  - narrator 6y ago
    Whenever I see a person use a fallacy I immediately use that fallacy against them. When she said the thing was a "conspiracy theory" that's essentially an appeal to authority that no one in authority believes that argument. When she compared me to a terrorist, that's an association fallacy, so I used that argument. Arguing against a fallacious reasoner is pointless, the only thing you can do is instruct them in proper reasoning.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      > Whenever I see a person use a fallacy I immediately use that fallacy against them. You should get checked out for a personality disorder. The average person does not have training in engineering or law, and hasn't developed logical thought processes. Arguing with somebody who doesn't use logic must feel pointless. What is the point of winning such an argument?

Tiltowait-- 6y ago

The thing about Alex Jones is that he takes about 18 hours of reading and condenses it into about 7 words. Turning the frogs gay Evidence suggests that pharmaceuticals are making their way into waste water and altering the hormones of amphibious animals. They're reading all our emails The NSA turned off encryption methods on American communications, which were previously in place, after 9/11 with the implementation of the patriot act Interdimensional space vampires Elites believe that the world was 'seeded' by aliens, they are pagans who have two kinds of holidays. Those that require sexual sacrifice, and those that require blood. Parroting communist propaganda? Remember the "dotard" remark that was literal propaganda and was picked up and parroted by people who knew better?

accountwhatever 6y ago

Funnily enough, Alex Jones' statement is mostly true: "Hayes and his colleagues raised 40 male African clawed frogs in water containing atrazine, from when they were larvae all the way up until sexual maturity. The atrazine levels were about what the frogs would experience in environments where the pesticide is used, and below levels that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency considers safe for drinking water. They compared this atrazine-exposed group with 40 other male frogs reared in atrazine-free water. At the end of the experiment, all frogs in the atrazine-free group remained male, while 10 percent of the frogs exposed to atrazine were completely feminized — their genes said they should be male, but they had female anatomy, including ovaries. The feminized frogs were able to mate with males and produce viable eggs." https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs...

narrator 6y ago

"The fact that you chose to accuse someone of denying such a thing as parroting CCP propaganda indicates either your story is entirely fake or you're just an asshole." I was using her reasoning to make a ludicrous argument similar to the one she made to show her the flaw in the argument and her method of reasoning. I don't actually believe that and made it clear to her when I explained the association fallacy. The only way to argue against someone using a fallacious arguing technique, which can be used to prove anything, is to use that arguing technique to prove the opposite or something ridiculous.

fzeroracer 6y ago
I mean, you countered her reasoning by committing multiple fallacies of your own. You strawmanned her ('That people denying this are parroting CCP propaganda and the CCP does all this horrible stuff.') and did an appeal to authority ('I then said many prominent people such as Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeo said this theory is credible'). You did so in a way that was enough to make her cry by your own admission.
- narrator 6y ago
  Whenever I see a person use a fallacy I immediately use that fallacy against them. When she said the thing was a "conspiracy theory" that's essentially an appeal to authority that no one in authority believes that argument. When she compared me to a terrorist, that's an association fallacy, so I used that argument. Arguing against a fallacious reasoner is pointless, the only thing you can do is instruct them in proper reasoning.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > Whenever I see a person use a fallacy I immediately use that fallacy against them. You should get checked out for a personality disorder. The average person does not have training in engineering or law, and hasn't developed logical thought processes. Arguing with somebody who doesn't use logic must feel pointless. What is the point of winning such an argument?