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>Conservatism has a place in society. It does. I've also been confidently assured by my conservative friends that conservatism is a very different politics fr

>Conservatism has a place in society. It does. I've also been confidently assured by my conservative friends that conservatism is a very different politics from racism, fascism, and neo-Nazism. I would not really consider the question of whether I myself am a human being or, as Richard Spencer has posited, a "soulless golem", to be a conservative vs liberal fight.

lowtolerance 6y ago
Anyone who believes that conservatism is “a very different politics” from any of these ideologies is either full of shit or completely ignorant. Conservatives like to pretend they don’t know what the “conserve” in “conservative” refers to, but the reality is obvious: they want to conserve a status quo that disproportionately favors them, to the exclusion of any demographic that poses a threat to the status quo. It is no wonder at all that conservativism has become a safe haven for racists and fascists. Edit: look at the absurd amount of censorship taking place in this discussion from the “free-speech advocates”. irony is lost on you lot of geniuses.
- logarhythmic 6y ago
  It's bizarre to me that this is an opinion people have unironicaly. Conservatism is not equivalent to Nazism. For society to actually function there needs to be a healthy tension between the status quo and possible reform
  - lowtolerance 6y ago
    It’s bizarre to me that you’d make a statement like this with absolutely nothing evidence-based to back it up. Edit: also, it’s equally amazing and horrifying to me that anyone could think a middle-ground between white supremacy and racial equality is “healthy”.
- eli_gottlieb 6y ago
  The status quo hasn't actually put me in a death camp and gassed me, so it seems to me that if you are to assume all forms of the status quo, and all preservation of the status quo, is inevitably equivalent to Auschwitz, that you have some explaining to do.
  - lowtolerance 6y ago
    This is how you know you have a really weak justification for your beliefs, when you argue against things that have never been said in order to tell yourself yourself that you hold the moral upper hand in an argument. I never insinuated anything like the argument you are countering. Experience has taught me that people who enter into an argument with disingenuous red herrings such as this one are not interested in a good faith discussion, but I am always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. My argument isn’t that gassing Jews and conservatism are inherently the same thing, that’s a completely preposterous interpretation of my previous comment. My argument is that fear of losing status is at the core of all of these ideologies, and nowhere is that more explicit than conservatism.

lowtolerance 6y ago

Anyone who believes that conservatism is “a very different politics” from any of these ideologies is either full of shit or completely ignorant. Conservatives like to pretend they don’t know what the “conserve” in “conservative” refers to, but the reality is obvious: they want to conserve a status quo that disproportionately favors them, to the exclusion of any demographic that poses a threat to the status quo. It is no wonder at all that conservativism has become a safe haven for racists and fascists. Edit: look at the absurd amount of censorship taking place in this discussion from the “free-speech advocates”. irony is lost on you lot of geniuses.

logarhythmic 6y ago
It's bizarre to me that this is an opinion people have unironicaly. Conservatism is not equivalent to Nazism. For society to actually function there needs to be a healthy tension between the status quo and possible reform
- lowtolerance 6y ago
  It’s bizarre to me that you’d make a statement like this with absolutely nothing evidence-based to back it up. Edit: also, it’s equally amazing and horrifying to me that anyone could think a middle-ground between white supremacy and racial equality is “healthy”.
eli_gottlieb 6y ago
The status quo hasn't actually put me in a death camp and gassed me, so it seems to me that if you are to assume all forms of the status quo, and all preservation of the status quo, is inevitably equivalent to Auschwitz, that you have some explaining to do.
- lowtolerance 6y ago
  This is how you know you have a really weak justification for your beliefs, when you argue against things that have never been said in order to tell yourself yourself that you hold the moral upper hand in an argument. I never insinuated anything like the argument you are countering. Experience has taught me that people who enter into an argument with disingenuous red herrings such as this one are not interested in a good faith discussion, but I am always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. My argument isn’t that gassing Jews and conservatism are inherently the same thing, that’s a completely preposterous interpretation of my previous comment. My argument is that fear of losing status is at the core of all of these ideologies, and nowhere is that more explicit than conservatism.