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Thank you for clarifying. However they don't prove your case, and I'll explain why. Arguing that a conspiracy exists to harm a group is not evidence that this

Thank you for clarifying. However they don't prove your case, and I'll explain why. Arguing that a conspiracy exists to harm a group is not evidence that this group is superior. It simply does not follow. Yes, I can see how this view might be shared by white supremacists but it simply does not follow from this statement alone. And for the record, I myself don't find his argument compelling. The second statement goes deeper into Molyneux's thinking to an area where even I fear to tread. On this one I can concede that Molyneux establishes a link between IQ and what kind of gov't is possible in such a population. This _could_ be evidence of white supremacist thinking. Now let me provide some counter evidence. Could a white supremacist accept/promote a claim that other races have higher IQ than whites? I don't believe so, because that would imply that whites are not superior in one area and throw the whole ideology into confusion. Yet he does so in this tweet: https://twitter.com/stefanmolyneux/status/1169982485289164800?lang=en https://twitter.com/stefanmolyneux/status/116998248528916480... The rush to judgment on someone is part of what's causing so much discord in the US right now. Molyneux is no white supremacist, but he doesn't shield himself from their arguments either.

opnitro 6y ago
"“...the Germans were in danger of being taken over by what they perceived as Jewish-led Communism. And Jewish-led Communism had wiped out tens of millions of white Christians in Russia and they were afraid of the same thing. And there was this wild overreaction and all this kind of stuff." Yeah he's a white supremacist. White supremacy (and associated Fascism), tend to believe in contradictory narratives about their opponents.
- pingpongchef 6y ago
  If white supremacists can believe contradictory ideas and still be white supremacists, then how are we to determine who is and isn't? By this logic there's no evidence you could give me to prove you're not a white supremacist since contradictions. I don't mean that as a personal attack, but I hope you see how untenable such a line of thinking is. Also, I do understand the possibility that someone could claim to believe one thing and not actually believe it. It simply requires a higher burden of proof.
  - opnitro 6y ago
    If you're asking how people can hold contradictory ideas... then I'd invite you do some self reflection. You probably hold some. We all do. Striving towards clarity of thought takes a while. As for white supremacists in specific, let's take David Duke and Richard Spencer for example. (As you agreed above they were white supremacists) Both of these people claim to believe in science and reason, yet also believe in the superiority of the white race.
    - memimo 6y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
      - opnitro 6y ago
        A book riddled with methodological errors, and not even peer reviewed, does not a good post make
      - snowwrestler 6y ago
        If you (or any reader) are interested in substantive critiques of this book, here are two: https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Heritability.html https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Her... https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-...
        AgentME 6y ago
        Here's an unusually good video critiquing it too: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo

opnitro 6y ago

"“...the Germans were in danger of being taken over by what they perceived as Jewish-led Communism. And Jewish-led Communism had wiped out tens of millions of white Christians in Russia and they were afraid of the same thing. And there was this wild overreaction and all this kind of stuff." Yeah he's a white supremacist. White supremacy (and associated Fascism), tend to believe in contradictory narratives about their opponents.

pingpongchef 6y ago
If white supremacists can believe contradictory ideas and still be white supremacists, then how are we to determine who is and isn't? By this logic there's no evidence you could give me to prove you're not a white supremacist since contradictions. I don't mean that as a personal attack, but I hope you see how untenable such a line of thinking is. Also, I do understand the possibility that someone could claim to believe one thing and not actually believe it. It simply requires a higher burden of proof.
- opnitro 6y ago
  If you're asking how people can hold contradictory ideas... then I'd invite you do some self reflection. You probably hold some. We all do. Striving towards clarity of thought takes a while. As for white supremacists in specific, let's take David Duke and Richard Spencer for example. (As you agreed above they were white supremacists) Both of these people claim to believe in science and reason, yet also believe in the superiority of the white race.
  - memimo 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
    - opnitro 6y ago
      A book riddled with methodological errors, and not even peer reviewed, does not a good post make
    - snowwrestler 6y ago
      If you (or any reader) are interested in substantive critiques of this book, here are two: https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Heritability.html https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Her... https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-...
      - AgentME 6y ago
        Here's an unusually good video critiquing it too: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo