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it's not a free society. there are lots of laws and regulations in place. Saying this is a free country is a useless platitude. Gab (twitter alternative) was j

it's not a free society. there are lots of laws and regulations in place. Saying this is a free country is a useless platitude. Gab (twitter alternative) was just blacklisted by Visa last week. There is no recourse. What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? https://news.gab.com/2020/06/19/gab-blacklisted-by-visa/ https://news.gab.com/2020/06/19/gab-blacklisted-by-visa/

erichocean 6y ago
> What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? Why would racist Whites stop there? Pretty soon they'll want to build their own governments: literal White nationalism. Republicans are already talking about secession in a positive light… To protect minorities, the 2nd Amendment has to be gutted as much as possible before that kind of thing happens, even if we must seriously bend the existing Civil Rights legislation to do so (Republicans can't stand up to the NRA, even if they wanted to). Biden has the right kinds of policy ideas, but he needs to go further. https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ > Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.
- sparkie 6y ago
  > Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime Can you not see the new loophole? Simply convict anybody we don't want owning a firearm of a made up misdemeanour or hate crime. 2A BTFO.
  - erichocean 6y ago
    > 2A BTFO Right? Incredibly clever, and I think that kind of precedent can be taken much further by the courts if they had any kind of backbone...
- bitcurious 6y ago
  I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. The main point seems to be that in absence of rule of law and due process, armed revolution will come, so let's subvert the rule of law to prevent that? What am I missing?
  - erichocean 6y ago
    > What am I missing? No laws or "due process" are being broken when Gab—a social network created to host as much hate speech as possible—is denied access to Visa's financial network. I'm not suggesting we "subvert the rule of law", I'm suggesting we use the existing laws (and pass new ones when needed, like Biden wants to do) to disarm racist Whites before they attempt to kill vulnerable minorities. Literally yesterday there was a racist White couple in St. Louis [0] pointing guns at peaceful protestors—safeties off, fingers on the trigger. Under Biden's proposed legislation, they could easily be given a (well-deserved) hate crime misdemeanor and then have their guns taken away. That's "due process" and "the rule of law" at work. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-couple-protest-firearms-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-couple-protest-fi...
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danudey 6y ago
Aw, the poor white supremacists can't find anyone who's willing to work with them because of their hateful ideology. I shall shed a single tear for them. I'm really upset that the site, which was started to host neo-nazis and violently racist mass-murderers, founded by a person who was kicked out of ycombinator for harassing and threatening other founders, can't find anyone else willing to stand alongside them to fight back against decency and civility. The reality is that their site is a toxic boil on the internet, and if other companies don't want to have anything to do with them, then I see no problem with that.
- GrayTextIsTruth 6y ago
  > white supremacists most are actually white separatists, but labelled "supremacist". Its not about hating other cultures, but about preserving your own, like how Native Americans have exclusive spiritual rituals that outsiders are not allowed to attend. Imagine calling jews who want to have their own country in Israel "jewish supremacists". Your post used the words "supremacists", "hate", "nazi", "racist", and "toxic". BINGO!
  - danudey 6y ago
    Keep telling yourself that, but it's all just a veneer over the same toxic, exclusionary, and racist bullshit. > Imagine calling jews who want to have their own country in Israel "jewish supremacists". Jews wanted to have their own country because of thousands of years of persecution by basically everyone, everywhere, after they were driven out of their own home. When that happens to white people, I'll accept your argument.
    - GrayTextIsTruth 6y ago
      > Jews wanted to have their own country because of thousands of years of persecution by basically everyone, everywhere which would never have happened if they had been separatists in the first place. it took thousands of years to figure it out. But you're saying that after persecution its no longer "toxic, exclusionary, and racist bullshit"? That illogical and steeped in slave morality. persecution is not a currency.

erichocean 6y ago

> What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? Why would racist Whites stop there? Pretty soon they'll want to build their own governments: literal White nationalism. Republicans are already talking about secession in a positive light… To protect minorities, the 2nd Amendment has to be gutted as much as possible before that kind of thing happens, even if we must seriously bend the existing Civil Rights legislation to do so (Republicans can't stand up to the NRA, even if they wanted to). Biden has the right kinds of policy ideas, but he needs to go further. https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ > Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

sparkie 6y ago
> Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime Can you not see the new loophole? Simply convict anybody we don't want owning a firearm of a made up misdemeanour or hate crime. 2A BTFO.
- erichocean 6y ago
  > 2A BTFO Right? Incredibly clever, and I think that kind of precedent can be taken much further by the courts if they had any kind of backbone...
bitcurious 6y ago
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. The main point seems to be that in absence of rule of law and due process, armed revolution will come, so let's subvert the rule of law to prevent that? What am I missing?
- erichocean 6y ago
  > What am I missing? No laws or "due process" are being broken when Gab—a social network created to host as much hate speech as possible—is denied access to Visa's financial network. I'm not suggesting we "subvert the rule of law", I'm suggesting we use the existing laws (and pass new ones when needed, like Biden wants to do) to disarm racist Whites before they attempt to kill vulnerable minorities. Literally yesterday there was a racist White couple in St. Louis [0] pointing guns at peaceful protestors—safeties off, fingers on the trigger. Under Biden's proposed legislation, they could easily be given a (well-deserved) hate crime misdemeanor and then have their guns taken away. That's "due process" and "the rule of law" at work. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-couple-protest-firearms-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-couple-protest-fi...
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danudey 6y ago

Aw, the poor white supremacists can't find anyone who's willing to work with them because of their hateful ideology. I shall shed a single tear for them. I'm really upset that the site, which was started to host neo-nazis and violently racist mass-murderers, founded by a person who was kicked out of ycombinator for harassing and threatening other founders, can't find anyone else willing to stand alongside them to fight back against decency and civility. The reality is that their site is a toxic boil on the internet, and if other companies don't want to have anything to do with them, then I see no problem with that.

GrayTextIsTruth 6y ago
> white supremacists most are actually white separatists, but labelled "supremacist". Its not about hating other cultures, but about preserving your own, like how Native Americans have exclusive spiritual rituals that outsiders are not allowed to attend. Imagine calling jews who want to have their own country in Israel "jewish supremacists". Your post used the words "supremacists", "hate", "nazi", "racist", and "toxic". BINGO!
- danudey 6y ago
  Keep telling yourself that, but it's all just a veneer over the same toxic, exclusionary, and racist bullshit. > Imagine calling jews who want to have their own country in Israel "jewish supremacists". Jews wanted to have their own country because of thousands of years of persecution by basically everyone, everywhere, after they were driven out of their own home. When that happens to white people, I'll accept your argument.
  - GrayTextIsTruth 6y ago
    > Jews wanted to have their own country because of thousands of years of persecution by basically everyone, everywhere which would never have happened if they had been separatists in the first place. it took thousands of years to figure it out. But you're saying that after persecution its no longer "toxic, exclusionary, and racist bullshit"? That illogical and steeped in slave morality. persecution is not a currency.