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>It is coordinated. Is there any evidence of this besides the announcements just happening on the same day? It could be companies waiting to announce these mo

by slg 6y ago

>It is coordinated. Is there any evidence of this besides the announcements just happening on the same day? It could be companies waiting to announce these moves on Monday morning after days of seeing Facebook embroiled in controversy for not doing this. Or maybe one company decided to make this move and other companies fast tracked anything they had planned on this so they wouldn't be viewed as ignoring this issue. We have no indication one way or another whether this is coordinated. We shouldn't just assume it is coordinated because it is happening on the same day.

dogma1138 6y ago
Coordination doesn’t mean collusion, there are plenty of reasons why to coordinate such as to avoid platform hopping and not having to deal with a bunch of angry people flocking to your platform and to share the news cycle. The likelihood of high profile bans like these not being coordinated is slim.
- slg 6y ago
  Collusion has an obvious negative connotation, but any coordination that happens in secret is inherently collusion. Either way, my request still stands. Is there any evidence to suggest these companies are working together instead of us all just assuming that is the case?
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    Define evidence, companies share information all the time including their legal departments. We have had multiple simultaneous ban waves this is not a new occurrence, at this point one would ask for evidence to show its not the case since the fact that this happening is self evident.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure social media platforms all have the same problematic groups set up for one click deletion. If one pulls the trigger it's trivial for the rest to do it too. It's the same coordination you see in penguins jumping off an ice flow. They'll all bunch up looking for sea lions they know are lurking. Eventually one jumps in or gets pushed and they all jump in right after.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    Ban waves aren’t that simple they take time to prepare the legal, PR, community relations and tech support etc required. While it probably isn’t as spontaneous as the penguins I also don’t see it as some smokey or well these days vapey dark room where they sit around the table with a bunch of dossiers laid out in front of them taking a vote.
luckylion 6y ago
> We have no indication one way or another whether this is coordinated. We shouldn't just assume it is coordinated because it is happening on the same day. Hey, just because two planes flew into the WTC on the same day, we have no indication one way or another whether this is coordinated. We shouldn't just assume it is coordinated because it is happening on the same day. But really, this is obviously coordinated. It's also well known that these kinds of things are done in a coordinated manner (see Alex Jones), and it's pretty much the approach any sane person would take. You don't want to stretch it out over weeks and keep this topic in the news. You cut once, cut deep, and get over it.
- slg 6y ago
  Context matters. You analogy isn't applicable because it removes the context for these response. The boycott of Facebook didn't hit critical mass until the end of last week. These companies are taking preemptive action so they don't receive a similar boycott. That is an explanation that doesn't require coordination.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > That is an explanation that doesn't require coordination. Yes, and it's a huge stretch. That's good for Yoga, but bad for explanations, and it works just as well for 9/11. The simplest, most plausible explanation: they coordinated. Further weight for that explanation? They've coordinated on similar issues before.
iratewizard 6y ago
There were several posts predicting this exact outcome yesterday on subreddits drama. The people close to the pulse knew.
- slg 6y ago
  Do you care to point to something that backs up that claim? I can't find any mention on that subreddit about anything relating to Youtube or Twitch bans. https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2FSubredditDrama&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F28%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F28%2F2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2F... https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2FSubredditDrama&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F28%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F28%2F2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr...
  - zo1 6y ago
    Posts about it have been flying for about a day or two now. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1sk7/reddits_largest_banwave_is_coming_monday/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1s...
    - slg 6y ago
      That seems to be exclusively about Reddit. How does this show coordination?
      - zo1 6y ago
        You're right. I was more pointing out that "people knew" before hand that a ban was coming, which means other platforms/groups knew about it and so could have prepared for it. If anything that's less of an argument that it's coordinated and more an argument that they're piling on after seeing one platform do it.
        slg 6y ago
        Thanks, but in my first comment I described exactly that possible scenario of companies rushing these announcements once they realized a competitor was acting on the issue. Once again, I don't know why so many people are assuming this is coordinated.

by slg 6y ago

dogma1138 6y ago

Coordination doesn’t mean collusion, there are plenty of reasons why to coordinate such as to avoid platform hopping and not having to deal with a bunch of angry people flocking to your platform and to share the news cycle. The likelihood of high profile bans like these not being coordinated is slim.

slg 6y ago
Collusion has an obvious negative connotation, but any coordination that happens in secret is inherently collusion. Either way, my request still stands. Is there any evidence to suggest these companies are working together instead of us all just assuming that is the case?
- dogma1138 6y ago
  Define evidence, companies share information all the time including their legal departments. We have had multiple simultaneous ban waves this is not a new occurrence, at this point one would ask for evidence to show its not the case since the fact that this happening is self evident.
Gibbon1 6y ago
I'm pretty sure social media platforms all have the same problematic groups set up for one click deletion. If one pulls the trigger it's trivial for the rest to do it too. It's the same coordination you see in penguins jumping off an ice flow. They'll all bunch up looking for sea lions they know are lurking. Eventually one jumps in or gets pushed and they all jump in right after.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  Ban waves aren’t that simple they take time to prepare the legal, PR, community relations and tech support etc required. While it probably isn’t as spontaneous as the penguins I also don’t see it as some smokey or well these days vapey dark room where they sit around the table with a bunch of dossiers laid out in front of them taking a vote.

luckylion 6y ago

> We have no indication one way or another whether this is coordinated. We shouldn't just assume it is coordinated because it is happening on the same day. Hey, just because two planes flew into the WTC on the same day, we have no indication one way or another whether this is coordinated. We shouldn't just assume it is coordinated because it is happening on the same day. But really, this is obviously coordinated. It's also well known that these kinds of things are done in a coordinated manner (see Alex Jones), and it's pretty much the approach any sane person would take. You don't want to stretch it out over weeks and keep this topic in the news. You cut once, cut deep, and get over it.

slg 6y ago
Context matters. You analogy isn't applicable because it removes the context for these response. The boycott of Facebook didn't hit critical mass until the end of last week. These companies are taking preemptive action so they don't receive a similar boycott. That is an explanation that doesn't require coordination.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > That is an explanation that doesn't require coordination. Yes, and it's a huge stretch. That's good for Yoga, but bad for explanations, and it works just as well for 9/11. The simplest, most plausible explanation: they coordinated. Further weight for that explanation? They've coordinated on similar issues before.

iratewizard 6y ago

There were several posts predicting this exact outcome yesterday on subreddits drama. The people close to the pulse knew.

slg 6y ago
Do you care to point to something that backs up that claim? I can't find any mention on that subreddit about anything relating to Youtube or Twitch bans. https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2FSubredditDrama&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F28%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F28%2F2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2F... https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2FSubredditDrama&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F28%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F28%2F2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr...
- zo1 6y ago
  Posts about it have been flying for about a day or two now. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1sk7/reddits_largest_banwave_is_coming_monday/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1s...
  - slg 6y ago
    That seems to be exclusively about Reddit. How does this show coordination?
    - zo1 6y ago
      You're right. I was more pointing out that "people knew" before hand that a ban was coming, which means other platforms/groups knew about it and so could have prepared for it. If anything that's less of an argument that it's coordinated and more an argument that they're piling on after seeing one platform do it.
      - slg 6y ago
        Thanks, but in my first comment I described exactly that possible scenario of companies rushing these announcements once they realized a competitor was acting on the issue. Once again, I don't know why so many people are assuming this is coordinated.