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There's a problem here that is too rarely discussed: When we do finally achieve substantial decentralized agency for ideas and media, which cannot be censored,

by jMyles 6y ago

There's a problem here that is too rarely discussed: When we do finally achieve substantial decentralized agency for ideas and media, which cannot be censored, it will be tainted in its roots by the fact that these jackasses are the people who will flock to it first. How can we build a censorship-resistant society where the most creative, peaceful, unifying ideas are the basis of our dialogue?

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andrekandre 6y ago
i think the problem is, some types of groups/ideologies work very well over social media (accusatory messages, memes, rumors, conspiracies) while others that are more thoughtful dont seem to do as well, because they take patience and time to go through so, in an "open market" it becomes harder to shut down bad ideas with "open debate" (which i would argue we need a way to do, now more than ever) i think until there is some way to do this in a general way - some kind of "anti-twitter" - these kinds of bannings will just keep happening because no one seems to really know how what to do otherwise...
- jMyles 6y ago
  > i think the problem is, some types of groups/ideologies work very well over social media (accusatory messages, memes, rumors, conspiracies) while others that are more thoughtful dont seem to do as well, because they take patience and time to go through I can't help but notice that the inflammation of this kind of content dovetails nicely with the profit motive of the medium in question. If we were able to open and audit the entirety of the algorithmic decision-making regarding what appears in users' feeds, does any of us doubt that hostilities and insecurities are amplified?
pnako 6y ago
I have the same problem with my BBQ. I bought it to keep my food cold, but systematically it heats the food to the point where it becomes burned. Just in case my attempt at analogy is not clear: on a free speech network you'll get free speech.
- jMyles 6y ago
  Maybe the analogy is more like: if you bought a BBQ to cook food, but cooked plastic trash on it for the first 10 uses. Will you ever be able to get the plastic taste and smell off of it?

by jMyles 6y ago

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andrekandre 6y ago

i think the problem is, some types of groups/ideologies work very well over social media (accusatory messages, memes, rumors, conspiracies) while others that are more thoughtful dont seem to do as well, because they take patience and time to go through so, in an "open market" it becomes harder to shut down bad ideas with "open debate" (which i would argue we need a way to do, now more than ever) i think until there is some way to do this in a general way - some kind of "anti-twitter" - these kinds of bannings will just keep happening because no one seems to really know how what to do otherwise...

jMyles 6y ago
> i think the problem is, some types of groups/ideologies work very well over social media (accusatory messages, memes, rumors, conspiracies) while others that are more thoughtful dont seem to do as well, because they take patience and time to go through I can't help but notice that the inflammation of this kind of content dovetails nicely with the profit motive of the medium in question. If we were able to open and audit the entirety of the algorithmic decision-making regarding what appears in users' feeds, does any of us doubt that hostilities and insecurities are amplified?

pnako 6y ago

I have the same problem with my BBQ. I bought it to keep my food cold, but systematically it heats the food to the point where it becomes burned. Just in case my attempt at analogy is not clear: on a free speech network you'll get free speech.

jMyles 6y ago
Maybe the analogy is more like: if you bought a BBQ to cook food, but cooked plastic trash on it for the first 10 uses. Will you ever be able to get the plastic taste and smell off of it?