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Well. We had several ideological purges earlier in 20th century, and I can tell what will happen next: every netizen will be triaged by a progressive troika, a

Well. We had several ideological purges earlier in 20th century, and I can tell what will happen next: every netizen will be triaged by a progressive troika, and sent to rehabilitation and education camps. Internet versions (excommunication), or real life ones .

robotron 6y ago
I don't mind purging ideologies that are about racial superiority. Erase that shit.
- vageli 6y ago
  It is crazy to think that ideas can be extinguished. These purges will serve to further concentrate and radicalize the adherents to these ideologies. edit: I may have been wrong, it seems deplatforming might work. [0] TIL! I had often read that echo chambers exacerbated radicalization but it seems more research has yielded better data to turn over that conclusion. edit1: it seems like radicalization is more nuanced, and different ways to handle communities based on its composition (eg. it is different to introduce someone to an ideology vs pushing a person already exposed into a more extreme view). Found this video to be informative [1]. [0]: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-media-bans-work https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-media-ba... [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY71088saG4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY71088saG4
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    Is there evidence of this? It seems like there are two views - that having an "open market of ideas" to debate things is how we should move forward, or that deplatforming is the way to move forward.
  - vkou 6y ago
    Communism, as a political movement, was largely extinguished in the US during the 20th century through purges and deplatforming. How many communist organizations do you see, these days? How much reach do they have, compared to the 30s? How much political power do they have, compared to the alt-right, today? Extinguishing that idea into the fringe seems to have worked rather well. As did de-nazification, post WWII. It's only more recently, when platforms started enabling fringe groups, has fascism crawled back into the light of day.
    - vageli 6y ago
      Well, given that Communism was outlawed in the US [0], it seems sensible that the membership numbers would decline. Do you think it is sound policy to outlaw ideologies? I don't think that making something illegal is akin to deplatforming. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
      - vkou 6y ago
        Given that the act was, as said in the article you cited, never enforced by the government, the deplatforming through ideological purges, 'cancel culture', and media suppression is what actually killed the movement. So, yes, this actually proves my point. Buring ideas, and canceling the people espousing them does, in fact, kill political movements. If your goal is to drive a political movement into the fringe, deplatforming works. If your goal is to have an utterly tolerant climate for political movements, regardless of how abhorrent they are, then, well, we're all observing how it's working out right now. Not very well, I must say, but there's always time for things to get worse.
    - Tiltowait-- 6y ago
      Fascism never went away; it was a mortal threat in 1965 when Herbert Marcuse wrote Repressive Tolerance, one of the most influential essays ever written: http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/1965MarcuseRepressiveToleranceEng1969edOcr.pdf http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/1965MarcuseRepre... >"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right, and toleration of movements from the Left." >"The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is extreme danger. I maintain that our society IS in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and "philosophies" can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the "marketplace of ideas" is organized and delimited by those who determine national and the individual interest."
    - 6y ago
- at_a_remove 6y ago
  Excellent. Look up Yakub, light your torch, and begin that purge. You will do that, won't you? It's about racial superiority, after all.
throwaway29102 6y ago
Where do I sign up to join the troika? Or could I work the rehab camps?
ohgodplsno 6y ago
Nazis left out of the internet ? I think most of humanity can live with that.

robotron 6y ago

I don't mind purging ideologies that are about racial superiority. Erase that shit.

vageli 6y ago
It is crazy to think that ideas can be extinguished. These purges will serve to further concentrate and radicalize the adherents to these ideologies. edit: I may have been wrong, it seems deplatforming might work. [0] TIL! I had often read that echo chambers exacerbated radicalization but it seems more research has yielded better data to turn over that conclusion. edit1: it seems like radicalization is more nuanced, and different ways to handle communities based on its composition (eg. it is different to introduce someone to an ideology vs pushing a person already exposed into a more extreme view). Found this video to be informative [1]. [0]: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-media-bans-work https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-media-ba... [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY71088saG4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HY71088saG4
- staticassertion 6y ago
  Is there evidence of this? It seems like there are two views - that having an "open market of ideas" to debate things is how we should move forward, or that deplatforming is the way to move forward.
- vkou 6y ago
  Communism, as a political movement, was largely extinguished in the US during the 20th century through purges and deplatforming. How many communist organizations do you see, these days? How much reach do they have, compared to the 30s? How much political power do they have, compared to the alt-right, today? Extinguishing that idea into the fringe seems to have worked rather well. As did de-nazification, post WWII. It's only more recently, when platforms started enabling fringe groups, has fascism crawled back into the light of day.
  - vageli 6y ago
    Well, given that Communism was outlawed in the US [0], it seems sensible that the membership numbers would decline. Do you think it is sound policy to outlaw ideologies? I don't think that making something illegal is akin to deplatforming. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
    - vkou 6y ago
      Given that the act was, as said in the article you cited, never enforced by the government, the deplatforming through ideological purges, 'cancel culture', and media suppression is what actually killed the movement. So, yes, this actually proves my point. Buring ideas, and canceling the people espousing them does, in fact, kill political movements. If your goal is to drive a political movement into the fringe, deplatforming works. If your goal is to have an utterly tolerant climate for political movements, regardless of how abhorrent they are, then, well, we're all observing how it's working out right now. Not very well, I must say, but there's always time for things to get worse.
  - Tiltowait-- 6y ago
    Fascism never went away; it was a mortal threat in 1965 when Herbert Marcuse wrote Repressive Tolerance, one of the most influential essays ever written: http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/1965MarcuseRepressiveToleranceEng1969edOcr.pdf http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/1965MarcuseRepre... >"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right, and toleration of movements from the Left." >"The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is extreme danger. I maintain that our society IS in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and "philosophies" can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the "marketplace of ideas" is organized and delimited by those who determine national and the individual interest."
  - 6y ago
at_a_remove 6y ago
Excellent. Look up Yakub, light your torch, and begin that purge. You will do that, won't you? It's about racial superiority, after all.

throwaway29102 6y ago

Where do I sign up to join the troika? Or could I work the rehab camps?

ohgodplsno 6y ago

Nazis left out of the internet ? I think most of humanity can live with that.