6 ms·

I listened to some of Molyneux podcasts awhile back. He seemed very gray area, borderline white nationalist, almost consciously ambiguous with just enough plaus

I listened to some of Molyneux podcasts awhile back. He seemed very gray area, borderline white nationalist, almost consciously ambiguous with just enough plausible deniability. It was a little too close for comfort and I took him off my list. That said, I don’t think it’s fair to lump him in with folks like Spencer and Duke. I don’t agree with Moleyneux’s viewpoints but think he articulates them well enough that he should be refuted, not scrubbed from existence.

jacquesm 6y ago
The clever ones are the more dangerous ones. Plenty of people that will strike Spencer and Duke will be lulled to sleep by Molyneux but in the end the agenda is the same.
- henriquez 6y ago
  You might be right but trying to censor stuff on the Internet tends to make it bigger in the long run. For an intellectual threat like Molyneux it would better to confront head on with “logic and facts” than pretend it doesn’t exist. Or on the flip side, if something he says makes you uncomfortable but you can’t explain why it’s wrong, then you need to step up your rhetoric game. One of the most effective tropes used by folks like Molyneux is “liberals are emotional and argue with feelings, not facts” - by freaking out and banning a highly articulate speaker like Molyneux the “libs” are only proving his point.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    I don't think that is true. Giving the fringe a platform makes it easier for like minded people to find each other and that allows them to create a nice little echo chamber where they can pretend their ideas and concepts are legit and backed up because 'many others feel the same way'. Free speech advocates believe that somehow everything that can be said should be allowed to be said but this does not - in my opinion at least - extend to each and every medium. Handing every moron a megaphone is not a good idea.
  - throwanem 6y ago
    "Highly articulate speaker?" Yeah, sure, he might come across like that when he can pick and choose his interlocutors for the weakness of their rhetoric and their arguments, and then just yell over them and drop the call anyway. In a fair fight he'd get his ass handed to him in short order, which is why you never see him in one.
HaloZero 6y ago
I'm not sure if things like this are exactly grey... https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1082489068741513217 https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/108248906874151321... https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1181003746983043074 https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... I just took the tweets from the other comments here.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

jacquesm 6y ago

The clever ones are the more dangerous ones. Plenty of people that will strike Spencer and Duke will be lulled to sleep by Molyneux but in the end the agenda is the same.

henriquez 6y ago
You might be right but trying to censor stuff on the Internet tends to make it bigger in the long run. For an intellectual threat like Molyneux it would better to confront head on with “logic and facts” than pretend it doesn’t exist. Or on the flip side, if something he says makes you uncomfortable but you can’t explain why it’s wrong, then you need to step up your rhetoric game. One of the most effective tropes used by folks like Molyneux is “liberals are emotional and argue with feelings, not facts” - by freaking out and banning a highly articulate speaker like Molyneux the “libs” are only proving his point.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  I don't think that is true. Giving the fringe a platform makes it easier for like minded people to find each other and that allows them to create a nice little echo chamber where they can pretend their ideas and concepts are legit and backed up because 'many others feel the same way'. Free speech advocates believe that somehow everything that can be said should be allowed to be said but this does not - in my opinion at least - extend to each and every medium. Handing every moron a megaphone is not a good idea.
- throwanem 6y ago
  "Highly articulate speaker?" Yeah, sure, he might come across like that when he can pick and choose his interlocutors for the weakness of their rhetoric and their arguments, and then just yell over them and drop the call anyway. In a fair fight he'd get his ass handed to him in short order, which is why you never see him in one.

HaloZero 6y ago

I'm not sure if things like this are exactly grey... https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1082489068741513217 https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/108248906874151321... https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1181003746983043074 https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... I just took the tweets from the other comments here.

deleted 6y ago
[deleted]