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Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? Th

Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? The problem isn't the color, the problem is the nationalism.

whymauri 6y ago
Hasn't black nationalism been essentially dead since the Black Panther party collapsed? You talk about as if it were as immediately dangerous as white nationalism, but I'm not sure it is.
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- throwanem 6y ago
  It isn't, but pretending that 70s Kodachrome black nationalism is the same as 1080p60 white supremacism is a useful lie as long as you're talking to somebody who doesn't know any of the history involved.
disposekinetics 6y ago
From a pure strategy perspective I suspect you never want to be the last person to adopt tribalism.
robotron 6y ago
It's curious that people that seem to be racists aren't happy when everyone tries to get along and sing campfire songs about being one people and inclusive. They also aren't happy when people stand up for themselves and reject their worldview.
Karunamon 6y ago
I'm not convinced that nationalism not based on some intrinsic attribute of its people (like race) is even mostly bad. 1. : loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups This, to me, reads that nations should advocate for their own interests first and have that as their primary concern - which seems pretty reasonable. Much in the same way that we have state and local representatives that advocate for the state and the locality in their respective governments, the higher levels up do the same for their entire citizenry on the global stage. There's nothing inherently icky or oppressive about this kind of mutual self-interest, and it need not imply any kind of dehumanization. It is, of course, possible to take too far (see: xenophobia), but that strikes me as a problem of implementation and general human failings, not as an intractable problem with the concept that deserves it being compared to objective evil. If the antonym of nationalism is globalism, I think that mindset has bigger problems.

whymauri 6y ago

Hasn't black nationalism been essentially dead since the Black Panther party collapsed? You talk about as if it were as immediately dangerous as white nationalism, but I'm not sure it is.

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throwanem 6y ago
It isn't, but pretending that 70s Kodachrome black nationalism is the same as 1080p60 white supremacism is a useful lie as long as you're talking to somebody who doesn't know any of the history involved.

disposekinetics 6y ago

From a pure strategy perspective I suspect you never want to be the last person to adopt tribalism.

robotron 6y ago

It's curious that people that seem to be racists aren't happy when everyone tries to get along and sing campfire songs about being one people and inclusive. They also aren't happy when people stand up for themselves and reject their worldview.

Karunamon 6y ago

I'm not convinced that nationalism not based on some intrinsic attribute of its people (like race) is even mostly bad. 1. : loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups This, to me, reads that nations should advocate for their own interests first and have that as their primary concern - which seems pretty reasonable. Much in the same way that we have state and local representatives that advocate for the state and the locality in their respective governments, the higher levels up do the same for their entire citizenry on the global stage. There's nothing inherently icky or oppressive about this kind of mutual self-interest, and it need not imply any kind of dehumanization. It is, of course, possible to take too far (see: xenophobia), but that strikes me as a problem of implementation and general human failings, not as an intractable problem with the concept that deserves it being compared to objective evil. If the antonym of nationalism is globalism, I think that mindset has bigger problems.