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Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

by Veen 6y ago

foobiekr 6y ago
This. Why must every single posting on Hacker News that involves China be flooded with whataboutism? It's a recurring thing, not even subtle.
- uep 6y ago
  You know, as much as I think the whataboutism is trying to draw equivalencies that don't exist and make excuses for other nation states doing bad things, I'm more accepting of it now. As long as it's called out for being that. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but we should always strive to be better. Just because the US could be doing as bad things as China or Russia, doesn't mean it shouldn't be better than it is now.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  Whataboutism is a cowardly refusal to look inwards.
  - pvelagal 6y ago
    It is self-realization, not whataboutism ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...
- pvelagal 6y ago
  Because China hasn't done anything remotely qualifies them to question to any other country ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...
- Nginx487 6y ago
  We can simply ignore the fact China is a totalitarian communist state, but in this case, we have not to talk about it at all, because literally every decision of CCP has the underlying motivation to weaken the national security of countries it believes to be Chinese enemies.
ianleeclark 6y ago
> Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard to support building up their manufacturing base when we knew this all along. Oh well, we just get to repeat the Dutch mistake of financing your enemy into having a robust manufacturing base until they gradually overtake global control.
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cambalache 6y ago
Either you compare the CCP to the US government or Tiktok to Facebook.

Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

by Veen 6y ago

Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

foobiekr 6y ago

This. Why must every single posting on Hacker News that involves China be flooded with whataboutism? It's a recurring thing, not even subtle.

uep 6y ago
You know, as much as I think the whataboutism is trying to draw equivalencies that don't exist and make excuses for other nation states doing bad things, I'm more accepting of it now. As long as it's called out for being that. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but we should always strive to be better. Just because the US could be doing as bad things as China or Russia, doesn't mean it shouldn't be better than it is now.
ianleeclark 6y ago
Whataboutism is a cowardly refusal to look inwards.
- pvelagal 6y ago
  It is self-realization, not whataboutism ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...
pvelagal 6y ago
Because China hasn't done anything remotely qualifies them to question to any other country ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...
Nginx487 6y ago
We can simply ignore the fact China is a totalitarian communist state, but in this case, we have not to talk about it at all, because literally every decision of CCP has the underlying motivation to weaken the national security of countries it believes to be Chinese enemies.

ianleeclark 6y ago

> Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard to support building up their manufacturing base when we knew this all along. Oh well, we just get to repeat the Dutch mistake of financing your enemy into having a robust manufacturing base until they gradually overtake global control.

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cambalache 6y ago

Either you compare the CCP to the US government or Tiktok to Facebook.