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While private corporations also have incentives and private individuals bring their own biases into play, there remain extremely important differences between t

While private corporations also have incentives and private individuals bring their own biases into play, there remain extremely important differences between the capabilities of corporations and states. State actors can effectuate arrests within their own territory, deploy military assets, make territorial claims, conduct assassinations, and generally use their information-gathering and influence to support significantly more violent goals. Like, I get that the milquetoast world advertisers want to live in is some kind of lens that colors the views and opinions presented by their platforms. It's just that the worst that happens from being influenced by it is it that you live a more boring life and consume more product. That's not nearly as worrying as being influenced to hating racial minorities in an attempt to distract from the South China Sea or something.

ianleeclark 6y ago
> State actors can effectuate arrests within their own territory, deploy military assets, make territorial claims, conduct assassinations, and generally use their information-gathering and influence to support significantly more violent goals. Coca cola sent death squads into South America. > That's not nearly as worrying as being influenced to hating racial minorities in an attempt to distract from the South China Sea or something. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are currently protests going on in America over racist injustice. > It's just that the worst that happens from being influenced by it is it that you live a more boring life and consume more product And how do you think this interacts with the above point?
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  > Coca cola sent death squads into South America. That's an argument against Coca Cola doing business in South America, not against banning an advertising platform in South America.
  - ianleeclark 6y ago
    No, it's actually pointing out the statement I quoted is fundamentally wrong. Private corporations can and have done the same things you accused state actors of doing
    - gruez 6y ago
      >Private corporations can and have done the same things you accused state actors of doing I mean yeah, since those corporations were acting like a quasi-nation state. If you're willing to go back far enough, you could also point to the East India company as evidence of corporate power, although in those cases they pretty much were the state in the areas that they operated. I'm not sure whether you could say the same about corporations today.
    - ThrustVectoring 6y ago
      So it's a difference in degree, not kind. My point stands. I'm far more concerned about an organization that has imprisoned thousands with essentially zero consequences than one that hired some paramilitaries and got in significant legal trouble for it.
      - alasdair_ 6y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company
        edgyquant 6y ago
        The Spanish-American War was more than 130 years years ago
        alasdair_ 6y ago
        Sure but the company (now Named Chiquita) continues to do things that are illegal. For example: “ In March 2007 Chiquita Brands pleaded guilty in a United States Federal court to aiding and abetting a terrorist organization” Also arms smuggling, anti-union activity (violence) etc.

ianleeclark 6y ago

> State actors can effectuate arrests within their own territory, deploy military assets, make territorial claims, conduct assassinations, and generally use their information-gathering and influence to support significantly more violent goals. Coca cola sent death squads into South America. > That's not nearly as worrying as being influenced to hating racial minorities in an attempt to distract from the South China Sea or something. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are currently protests going on in America over racist injustice. > It's just that the worst that happens from being influenced by it is it that you live a more boring life and consume more product And how do you think this interacts with the above point?

lern_too_spel 6y ago
> Coca cola sent death squads into South America. That's an argument against Coca Cola doing business in South America, not against banning an advertising platform in South America.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  No, it's actually pointing out the statement I quoted is fundamentally wrong. Private corporations can and have done the same things you accused state actors of doing
  - gruez 6y ago
    >Private corporations can and have done the same things you accused state actors of doing I mean yeah, since those corporations were acting like a quasi-nation state. If you're willing to go back far enough, you could also point to the East India company as evidence of corporate power, although in those cases they pretty much were the state in the areas that they operated. I'm not sure whether you could say the same about corporations today.
  - ThrustVectoring 6y ago
    So it's a difference in degree, not kind. My point stands. I'm far more concerned about an organization that has imprisoned thousands with essentially zero consequences than one that hired some paramilitaries and got in significant legal trouble for it.
    - alasdair_ 6y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company
      - edgyquant 6y ago
        The Spanish-American War was more than 130 years years ago
        alasdair_ 6y ago
        Sure but the company (now Named Chiquita) continues to do things that are illegal. For example: “ In March 2007 Chiquita Brands pleaded guilty in a United States Federal court to aiding and abetting a terrorist organization” Also arms smuggling, anti-union activity (violence) etc.