As someone who's not a big fan of Java, I don't get those arguments. If anything my argument for Java would be that it tries to be good at -everything-, and be

As someone who's not a big fan of Java, I don't get those arguments. If anything my argument for Java would be that it tries to be good at -everything-, and because that attempt started from day one (versus, say, C# starting primarily on desktop, then Web, and worrying about smaller targets and big servers later). And I think it's pretty good at all of that from a 'capability' standpoint. But because it tries to be all things for all people, it's pretty easy to wind up down rabbit holes of large frameworks. And that leads to the warts Java has from a usability standpoint.