5 ms·

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or https://www.reddithel

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world? Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide. Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State? Will they assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group? We are watching Reddit die. Aaron Swartz, the cofounder of Reddit warned about this a decade ago.

haunter 6y ago
It means /r/sino won't be banned which is a CPC propaganda sub
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  Even the CHAZ sub is still up which is literally doing illegal stuff with 5 shootings and 3 dead within 2 weeks. Also all the porn, rape, incest subs are allowed.
- nexus2045 6y ago
  r/sino feels more like a circlejerk for mostly Asian Americans that somehow hate their country that has blessed them with all this liberty and freedom... it is so weird to see the posts there express themselves so well, in fluent English (then why haven't you moved to China?). I partially get what they're coming from because I also have been really impressed with the unhindered economic development in China, and without too much concern for politics, I would also find life in China, superficially speaking, a lot more stimulating than typical US suburbia, but I just don't get what drives their love and support for the CCP. For a long time I read r/hongkong and r/sino simultaneously to stay neutral.
tibiapejagala 6y ago
Well, the world should just accept morals of the tech workers in California.
thinkingemote 6y ago
This really is the key point. Posts which on Twitter or Facebook would be deemed as hate are allowed now on Reddit. They were not before. Indeed in most EU countries, Reddit steps over the line into hate speech by allowing it against certain groups. There is an important caveat as it still would not allow violence, harassment or bullying.
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  I am actually shocked at how little thought went into this policy. For example in UK, women are majority. This policy now allows someone to say "I hate women". Everyone except Americas and Europe can now say "we hate people of color". This is such a short sighted policy that I can't believe it's not a joke.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
SmokeyHamster 6y ago
>the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority Wow. Like, holy shit wow. So racism and hate is ok with Reddit but only as long as it's directed at "the majority"? What the hell is the "majority"? I'm white. Yet I live in a city where blacks are the majority. Am I still the majority, meaning it's ok to harass me and send me hateful racist insults on Reddit, or would Reddit grant me honorary minority status? This is legit sickening.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- koheripbal 6y ago
  It means if you're white - hate directed at you is fair game. They don't care where you live.
- skocznymroczny 6y ago
  Don't think in terms of minorities and majorities. Here's a quick simple list: hating on men, white people, Christians, heterosexuals and conservatives is fine. Everything else is hate speech.
  - blisseyGo 6y ago
    Kind of funny how HN is downvoting you even though they all know this is the truth. People are so drunk on lies and political correctness that they can't even think straight.
    - thatoneuser 6y ago
      Oh dude thinking has long since left the conversation in places like reddit. I'm at a loss here. I'm done with reddit, but think: there are tens of millions of impressionable minds growing up into this. Not only are they drinking the kool-aid, now they don't even know there are other opinions because those opinions are forbidden. This is dark.
ppf 6y ago
Reddit just boarded the one-way express to crazy town. How can that policy possibly be enforced? Even if they do decide on some workable definition of what "majority groups" are, and how to prove which group you are in, I can't figure out what "actual and perceived race" means. So if someone makes an offensive comment to me because they think I am of a certain race, but it turns out I am not, it's still racism?
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  I am pretty sure when rules are written "vague", it's done that way on purpose so they can interpret it and abuse it in whatever way they like.
  - ppf 6y ago
    The trick was getting the identity-based discrimination into the rules. It seems Reddit overestimated the number of people who fully agree with the modern definitions of identity based on perceived oppression.
mitchdoogle 6y ago
Is there another link? I just checked that page and did not see anything such as the line about "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" I supposed they might have changed it, which would be good to hear, since that wording is obviously misguided
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  Here's the archive of what it used to be as of yesterday: http://archive.is/yB0zy http://archive.is/yB0zy Seems like they removed it but the rules are written so vague that they will just interpret it however they like. They don't even follow their own rules.

haunter 6y ago

It means /r/sino won't be banned which is a CPC propaganda sub

blisseyGo 6y ago
Even the CHAZ sub is still up which is literally doing illegal stuff with 5 shootings and 3 dead within 2 weeks. Also all the porn, rape, incest subs are allowed.
nexus2045 6y ago
r/sino feels more like a circlejerk for mostly Asian Americans that somehow hate their country that has blessed them with all this liberty and freedom... it is so weird to see the posts there express themselves so well, in fluent English (then why haven't you moved to China?). I partially get what they're coming from because I also have been really impressed with the unhindered economic development in China, and without too much concern for politics, I would also find life in China, superficially speaking, a lot more stimulating than typical US suburbia, but I just don't get what drives their love and support for the CCP. For a long time I read r/hongkong and r/sino simultaneously to stay neutral.

tibiapejagala 6y ago

Well, the world should just accept morals of the tech workers in California.

thinkingemote 6y ago

This really is the key point. Posts which on Twitter or Facebook would be deemed as hate are allowed now on Reddit. They were not before. Indeed in most EU countries, Reddit steps over the line into hate speech by allowing it against certain groups. There is an important caveat as it still would not allow violence, harassment or bullying.

blisseyGo 6y ago
I am actually shocked at how little thought went into this policy. For example in UK, women are majority. This policy now allows someone to say "I hate women". Everyone except Americas and Europe can now say "we hate people of color". This is such a short sighted policy that I can't believe it's not a joke.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

SmokeyHamster 6y ago

>the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority Wow. Like, holy shit wow. So racism and hate is ok with Reddit but only as long as it's directed at "the majority"? What the hell is the "majority"? I'm white. Yet I live in a city where blacks are the majority. Am I still the majority, meaning it's ok to harass me and send me hateful racist insults on Reddit, or would Reddit grant me honorary minority status? This is legit sickening.

deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
koheripbal 6y ago
It means if you're white - hate directed at you is fair game. They don't care where you live.
skocznymroczny 6y ago
Don't think in terms of minorities and majorities. Here's a quick simple list: hating on men, white people, Christians, heterosexuals and conservatives is fine. Everything else is hate speech.
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  Kind of funny how HN is downvoting you even though they all know this is the truth. People are so drunk on lies and political correctness that they can't even think straight.
  - thatoneuser 6y ago
    Oh dude thinking has long since left the conversation in places like reddit. I'm at a loss here. I'm done with reddit, but think: there are tens of millions of impressionable minds growing up into this. Not only are they drinking the kool-aid, now they don't even know there are other opinions because those opinions are forbidden. This is dark.

ppf 6y ago

Reddit just boarded the one-way express to crazy town. How can that policy possibly be enforced? Even if they do decide on some workable definition of what "majority groups" are, and how to prove which group you are in, I can't figure out what "actual and perceived race" means. So if someone makes an offensive comment to me because they think I am of a certain race, but it turns out I am not, it's still racism?

blisseyGo 6y ago
I am pretty sure when rules are written "vague", it's done that way on purpose so they can interpret it and abuse it in whatever way they like.
- ppf 6y ago
  The trick was getting the identity-based discrimination into the rules. It seems Reddit overestimated the number of people who fully agree with the modern definitions of identity based on perceived oppression.

mitchdoogle 6y ago

Is there another link? I just checked that page and did not see anything such as the line about "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" I supposed they might have changed it, which would be good to hear, since that wording is obviously misguided

blisseyGo 6y ago
Here's the archive of what it used to be as of yesterday: http://archive.is/yB0zy http://archive.is/yB0zy Seems like they removed it but the rules are written so vague that they will just interpret it however they like. They don't even follow their own rules.