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> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twi

> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not read into this comment anything but disdain for the kind of discourse where "the one good BLANK is a dead BLANK" is accepted.

dlp211 6y ago
The difference* of course is that none of those people have real political power, Democrats are not trying to appease them. The far left aren't the force behind a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Those on r/the_donald are Trump's base, the one's that he tries to appease. *US centric view only, don't know enough about European politics to have an informed opinion.
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- vxNsr 6y ago
  The fact that Biden still hasn’t picked a VP is pretty good proof that you’re wrong.
TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
They're not. Not only is "The only good Tory is a dead Tory" not a popular refrain at all [1], but a quick search for "The only good Republican is a dead Republican" returns a lot of hits for the "[...] dead Democrat" quote and almost none for the search phrase. These attempts at false equivalence reliably appear in these situations, and there's reliably nothing to back them up. The difference is the right is trying very hard to move the Overton Window and make "[...] dead Democrat" an acceptable mainstream sentiment suitable for national news. [1] You certainly won't hear it from any left-leaning MPs or in Labour constituency meetings. And if that weren't true, recordings would be all over the media.
- freen 6y ago
  The overwhelming majority of terrorism in the United States is committed by right wing extremists. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-... The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either uninformed or lying through their teeth to push an agenda.
  - iateanapple 6y ago
    > The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Hate groups like the ADL will play word games. Which right wing extremists have been rioting all over the country over the past couple of months?
    - jhardy54 6y ago
      Cops.
    - freen 6y ago
      I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-killed-officer-after-using-black-lives-matter-protest-as-cover-prosecutors/ https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...
      - iateanapple 6y ago
        > I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Organizations change. In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist. > By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory. Which is more believable: 1) A far-left wing group that has been around for decades and part of many violent protests across Europe and has branches in the US is involved in another set of left wing violent protests. Or 2) A right wing group that nobody has heard of and doesn’t seem to be associated with any of the exisiting far-right movements has deeply infiltrated left wing protests and is causing trouble. Since I’m partial to conspiracy theories (2) might be possible if it’s actually the feds.
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mcguire 6y ago
""the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades." I haven't followed British politics much. The only thing I can find for your popular refrain is https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 Could you provide some sources?
- williamgrant 6y ago
  Sure, here are some DDG results. You'll find the phrase used in various contexts. - https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_good_reminder_about_the_material_and_economic/ https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_g... - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husband-the-fat-man https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husb... - https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-under-investigation-tory-31695 https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-unde... - https://twitter.com/killallt0ries https://twitter.com/killallt0ries - http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 I have to say, I'm saddened that bringing this up has caused such a fuss and has caused others to make assumptions on my position. That these sentiments are common is not a new development but it is depressing.
tarsinge 6y ago
This isn’t even about picking a political side. Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion, it’s even downright illegal in some countries. There are plenty of subreddits on the political spectrum for example on economic theories, socialistic or capitalistic, or the pro/limiting immigration. But the line is clear with hateful content.
- williamgrant 6y ago
  Of course it's not about picking political sides. I certainly did not intend to do so, if that's the impression you have taken. The sentiment is universally contemptible.
- postphoned 6y ago
  >Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion I agree, the anti-white racism and misandry which has become so commonplace under the disguise of 'anti-racism' and feminism has to end.
  - tarsinge 6y ago
    On principle yes. But I don't know where you live where this is commonplace, do you really see that in your daily life in the real world? There are misandrist feminists, but look further than Twitter drama, most feminists in real life are pretty compassionate with men. For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing.
    - postphoned 6y ago
      >For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. That is not at all how it is being used in the real world though. "Toxic Masculinity" is being wielded as a weapon to destroy and to "smash the patriarchy". The compassionate voices are those that are the marginalized fringe-group. > Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing. Wishful thinking. Today you will be called a 'Nazi/racist/bigot/Trumpet/Karen/etc.' when you dare to criticize BLM or go as far to cite crime statistics to support your argument. And as an identified 'Nazi' you now deserve to be 'de-platformed', to have your life and your family destroyed and to die in a horrible way, that's the lazy mental leap these days. Also, I wouldn't call the Black people Twitter sphere a 'fringe thing'. People like Tariq Nasheed, Shaun King and Al Sharpton have huge followings and influence. Edit: Shaun, not Sean King

dlp211 6y ago

The difference* of course is that none of those people have real political power, Democrats are not trying to appease them. The far left aren't the force behind a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Those on r/the_donald are Trump's base, the one's that he tries to appease. *US centric view only, don't know enough about European politics to have an informed opinion.

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vxNsr 6y ago
The fact that Biden still hasn’t picked a VP is pretty good proof that you’re wrong.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

They're not. Not only is "The only good Tory is a dead Tory" not a popular refrain at all [1], but a quick search for "The only good Republican is a dead Republican" returns a lot of hits for the "[...] dead Democrat" quote and almost none for the search phrase. These attempts at false equivalence reliably appear in these situations, and there's reliably nothing to back them up. The difference is the right is trying very hard to move the Overton Window and make "[...] dead Democrat" an acceptable mainstream sentiment suitable for national news. [1] You certainly won't hear it from any left-leaning MPs or in Labour constituency meetings. And if that weren't true, recordings would be all over the media.

freen 6y ago
The overwhelming majority of terrorism in the United States is committed by right wing extremists. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-... The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either uninformed or lying through their teeth to push an agenda.
- iateanapple 6y ago
  > The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Hate groups like the ADL will play word games. Which right wing extremists have been rioting all over the country over the past couple of months?
  - jhardy54 6y ago
    Cops.
  - freen 6y ago
    I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-killed-officer-after-using-black-lives-matter-protest-as-cover-prosecutors/ https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...
    - iateanapple 6y ago
      > I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Organizations change. In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist. > By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory. Which is more believable: 1) A far-left wing group that has been around for decades and part of many violent protests across Europe and has branches in the US is involved in another set of left wing violent protests. Or 2) A right wing group that nobody has heard of and doesn’t seem to be associated with any of the exisiting far-right movements has deeply infiltrated left wing protests and is causing trouble. Since I’m partial to conspiracy theories (2) might be possible if it’s actually the feds.

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mcguire 6y ago

""the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades." I haven't followed British politics much. The only thing I can find for your popular refrain is https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 Could you provide some sources?

williamgrant 6y ago
Sure, here are some DDG results. You'll find the phrase used in various contexts. - https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_good_reminder_about_the_material_and_economic/ https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_g... - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husband-the-fat-man https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husb... - https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-under-investigation-tory-31695 https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-unde... - https://twitter.com/killallt0ries https://twitter.com/killallt0ries - http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 I have to say, I'm saddened that bringing this up has caused such a fuss and has caused others to make assumptions on my position. That these sentiments are common is not a new development but it is depressing.

tarsinge 6y ago

This isn’t even about picking a political side. Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion, it’s even downright illegal in some countries. There are plenty of subreddits on the political spectrum for example on economic theories, socialistic or capitalistic, or the pro/limiting immigration. But the line is clear with hateful content.

williamgrant 6y ago
Of course it's not about picking political sides. I certainly did not intend to do so, if that's the impression you have taken. The sentiment is universally contemptible.
postphoned 6y ago
>Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion I agree, the anti-white racism and misandry which has become so commonplace under the disguise of 'anti-racism' and feminism has to end.
- tarsinge 6y ago
  On principle yes. But I don't know where you live where this is commonplace, do you really see that in your daily life in the real world? There are misandrist feminists, but look further than Twitter drama, most feminists in real life are pretty compassionate with men. For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing.
  - postphoned 6y ago
    >For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. That is not at all how it is being used in the real world though. "Toxic Masculinity" is being wielded as a weapon to destroy and to "smash the patriarchy". The compassionate voices are those that are the marginalized fringe-group. > Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing. Wishful thinking. Today you will be called a 'Nazi/racist/bigot/Trumpet/Karen/etc.' when you dare to criticize BLM or go as far to cite crime statistics to support your argument. And as an identified 'Nazi' you now deserve to be 'de-platformed', to have your life and your family destroyed and to die in a horrible way, that's the lazy mental leap these days. Also, I wouldn't call the Black people Twitter sphere a 'fringe thing'. People like Tariq Nasheed, Shaun King and Al Sharpton have huge followings and influence. Edit: Shaun, not Sean King