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Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny,

Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.

williamgrant 6y ago
> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not read into this comment anything but disdain for the kind of discourse where "the one good BLANK is a dead BLANK" is accepted.
- dlp211 6y ago
  The difference* of course is that none of those people have real political power, Democrats are not trying to appease them. The far left aren't the force behind a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Those on r/the_donald are Trump's base, the one's that he tries to appease. *US centric view only, don't know enough about European politics to have an informed opinion.
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  - vxNsr 6y ago
    The fact that Biden still hasn’t picked a VP is pretty good proof that you’re wrong.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  They're not. Not only is "The only good Tory is a dead Tory" not a popular refrain at all [1], but a quick search for "The only good Republican is a dead Republican" returns a lot of hits for the "[...] dead Democrat" quote and almost none for the search phrase. These attempts at false equivalence reliably appear in these situations, and there's reliably nothing to back them up. The difference is the right is trying very hard to move the Overton Window and make "[...] dead Democrat" an acceptable mainstream sentiment suitable for national news. [1] You certainly won't hear it from any left-leaning MPs or in Labour constituency meetings. And if that weren't true, recordings would be all over the media.
  - freen 6y ago
    The overwhelming majority of terrorism in the United States is committed by right wing extremists. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-... The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either uninformed or lying through their teeth to push an agenda.
    - iateanapple 6y ago
      > The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Hate groups like the ADL will play word games. Which right wing extremists have been rioting all over the country over the past couple of months?
      - jhardy54 6y ago
        Cops.
      - freen 6y ago
        I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-killed-officer-after-using-black-lives-matter-protest-as-cover-prosecutors/ https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...
        iateanapple 6y ago
        > I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Organizations change. In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist. > By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory. Which is more believable: 1) A far-left wing group that has been around for decades and part of many violent protests across Europe and has branches in the US is involved in another set of left wing violent protests. Or 2) A right wing group that nobody has heard of and doesn’t seem to be associated with any of the exisiting far-right movements has deeply infiltrated left wing protests and is causing trouble. Since I’m partial to conspiracy theories (2) might be possible if it’s actually the feds.
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- mcguire 6y ago
  ""the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades." I haven't followed British politics much. The only thing I can find for your popular refrain is https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 Could you provide some sources?
  - williamgrant 6y ago
    Sure, here are some DDG results. You'll find the phrase used in various contexts. - https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_good_reminder_about_the_material_and_economic/ https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_g... - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husband-the-fat-man https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husb... - https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-under-investigation-tory-31695 https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-unde... - https://twitter.com/killallt0ries https://twitter.com/killallt0ries - http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 I have to say, I'm saddened that bringing this up has caused such a fuss and has caused others to make assumptions on my position. That these sentiments are common is not a new development but it is depressing.
- tarsinge 6y ago
  This isn’t even about picking a political side. Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion, it’s even downright illegal in some countries. There are plenty of subreddits on the political spectrum for example on economic theories, socialistic or capitalistic, or the pro/limiting immigration. But the line is clear with hateful content.
  - williamgrant 6y ago
    Of course it's not about picking political sides. I certainly did not intend to do so, if that's the impression you have taken. The sentiment is universally contemptible.
  - postphoned 6y ago
    >Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion I agree, the anti-white racism and misandry which has become so commonplace under the disguise of 'anti-racism' and feminism has to end.
    - tarsinge 6y ago
      On principle yes. But I don't know where you live where this is commonplace, do you really see that in your daily life in the real world? There are misandrist feminists, but look further than Twitter drama, most feminists in real life are pretty compassionate with men. For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing.
      - postphoned 6y ago
        >For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. That is not at all how it is being used in the real world though. "Toxic Masculinity" is being wielded as a weapon to destroy and to "smash the patriarchy". The compassionate voices are those that are the marginalized fringe-group. > Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing. Wishful thinking. Today you will be called a 'Nazi/racist/bigot/Trumpet/Karen/etc.' when you dare to criticize BLM or go as far to cite crime statistics to support your argument. And as an identified 'Nazi' you now deserve to be 'de-platformed', to have your life and your family destroyed and to die in a horrible way, that's the lazy mental leap these days. Also, I wouldn't call the Black people Twitter sphere a 'fringe thing'. People like Tariq Nasheed, Shaun King and Al Sharpton have huge followings and influence. Edit: Shaun, not Sean King
mcguire 6y ago
You mean like https://thedonald.win/p/GIEYMyjj/steven-huffman-the-most-colossal/c/ https://thedonald.win/p/GIEYMyjj/steven-huffman-the-most-col...
- duxup 6y ago
  Folks like to drawn in people with discussions about how some views aren't allowed on reddit and tales of political persecution ... but that there is a good example of a lot of TD's content. It wasn't a place that was about conservative views, or a political party or politician ... it was mostly just fear, hate, and lies. And for a place with lots of defenders crying out over censorship, any wiff of a differing opinion in their sub was met with a ban...
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  Have you ever been to any of Reddit subs?
  - bitexploder 6y ago
    It isn’t perfect. Most major subs uphold a reasonable measure of decorum. It’s a big place, I am sure you can find examples of everything you see on TD.win. The point is Reddit is trying to enforce its rules and maintain reasonable standards (IMO)
    - blisseyGo 6y ago
      > Reddit is trying to enforce its rules and maintain reasonable standards From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.
Natsu 6y ago
Eh, I've seen almost all of those things on the front page of Reddit, too. Just recently, on the front page of reddit, I've seen a headline saying to cut off a cop's dick because he tasered someone (I believe it said 'take his badge and his manhood'), ACAB types have been threatening to kill cops, Reddit has doxxed the wrong people for major crimes, etc. It's particularly ironic because the original justification for the quarantine (which was then edited) was for threatening violence against cops, specifically due to wanting to protect some lawmakers who fled from a vote on cap & trade from arrest. Looking back, that really seems inconsistent with the number of front page ACAB posts threatening violence I've seen on the front page this month. I mean, either it's okay to threaten violence or not, pick one. Then again, maybe they did, because they edited that out of the quarantine reason for r/T_D.
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
  In this case I think manhood means his gun, not his junk, but maybe I'm just getting old.
- deanCommie 6y ago
  "Take his badge and gun" is the typical expression. That person replaced gun with manhood implying that the person's manhood is derived from them power-tripping with weapons. Threatening violence IN RESPONSE to violence is a far cry from INSTIGATING violence against peace. One is defending yourself against bullying by standing up to it with comparable force. The other is bullying. Is there nothing people like you won't "both side"?
  - wolco 6y ago
    What if that officer was a transgender half black half native post successful surgury cop. Would threatening to cut his parts off be considered a hate crime to you?
  - vxNsr 6y ago
    > That person replaced gun with manhood implying that the person's manhood is derived from them power-tripping with weapons. That’s quite the convenient stretch. Pretty impressive how some people are amazing at reading subtext where non exists as long as it plays into their narrative. > Threatening violence IN RESPONSE to violence is a far cry from INSTIGATING violence against peace. I mean... police going after law makers isn’t exactly peaceful. But again, whatever fits your narrative is true and everything else is fakenews(TM).
lumberingjack 6y ago
I'm a Democrat and i don't see any of that on there you are looking at it thought a dirty lens that crazy liberals handed you
wolco 6y ago
Just visited the site. Looks like you need to go through capticha/cloudflair wait and then you have to create an account. I never got that far. But you went through all of that and verified your email. Now you are reporting it is full of [insert trending bad words]. Are you part of that community? A reporter? Were there any upvotes on comments you approved of?
- bitexploder 6y ago
  I have never created an account. As far as I know you don’t have to. I am very curious. I like to peek in and see where the most extreme Trump supporters are at these days. It’s not pleasant and I tolerate it in small doses only, but I think it is important to understand them, even if I strongly disagree. Edit: it’s currently going direct to a login screen. That’s not normal.
  - sixteenyearold 6y ago
    I made an account on thedonald.win today, just to try and understand what other people's opinions are. You don't need an email ID for signing up, so it's pretty easy. That being said, yes, quite a few people in the community are toxic. However, I don't see any activity that would cause them to be removed from Reddit altogether.
    - bitexploder 6y ago
      Keep lookin. There are plenty of occasions where there will be posts and memes with a lot of upvotes that have things that would get you banned from most any other site: calls to violence, outright support for white supremacy, etc. They are cleaning things up some lately, but it’s all still there. It’s abundantly clear to me, at least, why they got banned.
InternetUser 6y ago
> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. Yeah really? Go retrieve 2 examples for me, please, because I can't find any and I think you're completely full of shit.

williamgrant 6y ago

> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not read into this comment anything but disdain for the kind of discourse where "the one good BLANK is a dead BLANK" is accepted.

dlp211 6y ago
The difference* of course is that none of those people have real political power, Democrats are not trying to appease them. The far left aren't the force behind a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Those on r/the_donald are Trump's base, the one's that he tries to appease. *US centric view only, don't know enough about European politics to have an informed opinion.
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- vxNsr 6y ago
  The fact that Biden still hasn’t picked a VP is pretty good proof that you’re wrong.
TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
They're not. Not only is "The only good Tory is a dead Tory" not a popular refrain at all [1], but a quick search for "The only good Republican is a dead Republican" returns a lot of hits for the "[...] dead Democrat" quote and almost none for the search phrase. These attempts at false equivalence reliably appear in these situations, and there's reliably nothing to back them up. The difference is the right is trying very hard to move the Overton Window and make "[...] dead Democrat" an acceptable mainstream sentiment suitable for national news. [1] You certainly won't hear it from any left-leaning MPs or in Labour constituency meetings. And if that weren't true, recordings would be all over the media.
- freen 6y ago
  The overwhelming majority of terrorism in the United States is committed by right wing extremists. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-... The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either uninformed or lying through their teeth to push an agenda.
  - iateanapple 6y ago
    > The anti-gun, peace-loving left may not be the most polite online, but they emphatically are not as violent. Not by a long shot. Hate groups like the ADL will play word games. Which right wing extremists have been rioting all over the country over the past couple of months?
    - jhardy54 6y ago
      Cops.
    - freen 6y ago
      I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-killed-officer-after-using-black-lives-matter-protest-as-cover-prosecutors/ https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...
      - iateanapple 6y ago
        > I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Organizations change. In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist. > By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory. Which is more believable: 1) A far-left wing group that has been around for decades and part of many violent protests across Europe and has branches in the US is involved in another set of left wing violent protests. Or 2) A right wing group that nobody has heard of and doesn’t seem to be associated with any of the exisiting far-right movements has deeply infiltrated left wing protests and is causing trouble. Since I’m partial to conspiracy theories (2) might be possible if it’s actually the feds.
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mcguire 6y ago
""the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades." I haven't followed British politics much. The only thing I can find for your popular refrain is https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47853588 Could you provide some sources?
- williamgrant 6y ago
  Sure, here are some DDG results. You'll find the phrase used in various contexts. - https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ https://www.facebook.com/theonlygoodtoryisadeadtory/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_good_reminder_about_the_material_and_economic/ https://old.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/e9dlk8/a_g... - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husband-the-fat-man https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/sep/04/my-husb... - https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-under-investigation-tory-31695 https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/bath-man-unde... - https://twitter.com/killallt0ries https://twitter.com/killallt0ries - http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1190 I have to say, I'm saddened that bringing this up has caused such a fuss and has caused others to make assumptions on my position. That these sentiments are common is not a new development but it is depressing.
tarsinge 6y ago
This isn’t even about picking a political side. Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion, it’s even downright illegal in some countries. There are plenty of subreddits on the political spectrum for example on economic theories, socialistic or capitalistic, or the pro/limiting immigration. But the line is clear with hateful content.
- williamgrant 6y ago
  Of course it's not about picking political sides. I certainly did not intend to do so, if that's the impression you have taken. The sentiment is universally contemptible.
- postphoned 6y ago
  >Being racist, misogynist, or calling to violence is not an opinion I agree, the anti-white racism and misandry which has become so commonplace under the disguise of 'anti-racism' and feminism has to end.
  - tarsinge 6y ago
    On principle yes. But I don't know where you live where this is commonplace, do you really see that in your daily life in the real world? There are misandrist feminists, but look further than Twitter drama, most feminists in real life are pretty compassionate with men. For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing.
    - postphoned 6y ago
      >For example the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity despite what you may think is mostly about psychological distress and suffering on men. That is not at all how it is being used in the real world though. "Toxic Masculinity" is being wielded as a weapon to destroy and to "smash the patriarchy". The compassionate voices are those that are the marginalized fringe-group. > Same with anti-racists activists, it's mostly about compassion for other human beings in real life, anti-white racism is a fringe thing. Wishful thinking. Today you will be called a 'Nazi/racist/bigot/Trumpet/Karen/etc.' when you dare to criticize BLM or go as far to cite crime statistics to support your argument. And as an identified 'Nazi' you now deserve to be 'de-platformed', to have your life and your family destroyed and to die in a horrible way, that's the lazy mental leap these days. Also, I wouldn't call the Black people Twitter sphere a 'fringe thing'. People like Tariq Nasheed, Shaun King and Al Sharpton have huge followings and influence. Edit: Shaun, not Sean King

mcguire 6y ago

You mean like https://thedonald.win/p/GIEYMyjj/steven-huffman-the-most-colossal/c/ https://thedonald.win/p/GIEYMyjj/steven-huffman-the-most-col...

duxup 6y ago
Folks like to drawn in people with discussions about how some views aren't allowed on reddit and tales of political persecution ... but that there is a good example of a lot of TD's content. It wasn't a place that was about conservative views, or a political party or politician ... it was mostly just fear, hate, and lies. And for a place with lots of defenders crying out over censorship, any wiff of a differing opinion in their sub was met with a ban...
blisseyGo 6y ago
Have you ever been to any of Reddit subs?
- bitexploder 6y ago
  It isn’t perfect. Most major subs uphold a reasonable measure of decorum. It’s a big place, I am sure you can find examples of everything you see on TD.win. The point is Reddit is trying to enforce its rules and maintain reasonable standards (IMO)
  - blisseyGo 6y ago
    > Reddit is trying to enforce its rules and maintain reasonable standards From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Natsu 6y ago

Eh, I've seen almost all of those things on the front page of Reddit, too. Just recently, on the front page of reddit, I've seen a headline saying to cut off a cop's dick because he tasered someone (I believe it said 'take his badge and his manhood'), ACAB types have been threatening to kill cops, Reddit has doxxed the wrong people for major crimes, etc. It's particularly ironic because the original justification for the quarantine (which was then edited) was for threatening violence against cops, specifically due to wanting to protect some lawmakers who fled from a vote on cap & trade from arrest. Looking back, that really seems inconsistent with the number of front page ACAB posts threatening violence I've seen on the front page this month. I mean, either it's okay to threaten violence or not, pick one. Then again, maybe they did, because they edited that out of the quarantine reason for r/T_D.

omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
In this case I think manhood means his gun, not his junk, but maybe I'm just getting old.
deanCommie 6y ago
"Take his badge and gun" is the typical expression. That person replaced gun with manhood implying that the person's manhood is derived from them power-tripping with weapons. Threatening violence IN RESPONSE to violence is a far cry from INSTIGATING violence against peace. One is defending yourself against bullying by standing up to it with comparable force. The other is bullying. Is there nothing people like you won't "both side"?
- wolco 6y ago
  What if that officer was a transgender half black half native post successful surgury cop. Would threatening to cut his parts off be considered a hate crime to you?
- vxNsr 6y ago
  > That person replaced gun with manhood implying that the person's manhood is derived from them power-tripping with weapons. That’s quite the convenient stretch. Pretty impressive how some people are amazing at reading subtext where non exists as long as it plays into their narrative. > Threatening violence IN RESPONSE to violence is a far cry from INSTIGATING violence against peace. I mean... police going after law makers isn’t exactly peaceful. But again, whatever fits your narrative is true and everything else is fakenews(TM).

lumberingjack 6y ago

I'm a Democrat and i don't see any of that on there you are looking at it thought a dirty lens that crazy liberals handed you

wolco 6y ago

Just visited the site. Looks like you need to go through capticha/cloudflair wait and then you have to create an account. I never got that far. But you went through all of that and verified your email. Now you are reporting it is full of [insert trending bad words]. Are you part of that community? A reporter? Were there any upvotes on comments you approved of?

bitexploder 6y ago
I have never created an account. As far as I know you don’t have to. I am very curious. I like to peek in and see where the most extreme Trump supporters are at these days. It’s not pleasant and I tolerate it in small doses only, but I think it is important to understand them, even if I strongly disagree. Edit: it’s currently going direct to a login screen. That’s not normal.
- sixteenyearold 6y ago
  I made an account on thedonald.win today, just to try and understand what other people's opinions are. You don't need an email ID for signing up, so it's pretty easy. That being said, yes, quite a few people in the community are toxic. However, I don't see any activity that would cause them to be removed from Reddit altogether.
  - bitexploder 6y ago
    Keep lookin. There are plenty of occasions where there will be posts and memes with a lot of upvotes that have things that would get you banned from most any other site: calls to violence, outright support for white supremacy, etc. They are cleaning things up some lately, but it’s all still there. It’s abundantly clear to me, at least, why they got banned.

InternetUser 6y ago

> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. Yeah really? Go retrieve 2 examples for me, please, because I can't find any and I think you're completely full of shit.