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> Consider how non-welcome a person who thinks Rust sucks would feel on news.ycombinator.com. (tip: very non-welcome) I [an occasional mod] welcome people who

by tlb 6y ago

> Consider how non-welcome a person who thinks Rust sucks would feel on news.ycombinator.com. (tip: very non-welcome) I [an occasional mod] welcome people who think Rust sucks as long as they give some details why. I don't welcome people who just post snarky dismissals of projects. I'd say the majority of people who complain about their opinion being unwelcome here have been stating their opinion as a big loud raspberry, rather than making a substantive argument people can engage with. It's just the raspberry that's unwelcome.

jolux 6y ago
I think this was the hardest part for me to learn: the site cares a lot about what I would describe as "tone," which is generally a good heuristic for interesting and productive discussions (but this can feel stifling for a lot of people, particularly but not exclusively minority groups in tech). Early on I definitely engaged in a manner that was less than pleasant, and the culture here seems to take a dim view of that no matter who it's coming from, which is the part I find the most impressive. I have since learned how to say what I want to say without just blowing raspberries (for the most part) and I am generally rewarded for it with interesting comments and upvotes.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  > Early on I definitely engaged in a manner that was less than pleasant... From your top-level comment, it sounds like you started when you were 15? So, um... I and a number of others don't really want to be judged by how we commented when we were 15. (In my case, not on HN - it didn't exist yet. But yeah, I was "less than pleasant" a lot of the time.) Don't be too hard on yourself for the teen-age years.
  - jolux 6y ago
    Mostly I said a lot of inflammatory stuff when calling out sexism and racism, and was probably ignorant and worse on other subjects too. I learned relatively quickly that my assumptions about the site were incorrect.
  - tasuki 6y ago
    > Don't be too hard on yourself for the teen-age years. Just wanted to echo this and extend it for the older of us: don't be too hard on yourself for the past.

by tlb 6y ago

jolux 6y ago

I think this was the hardest part for me to learn: the site cares a lot about what I would describe as "tone," which is generally a good heuristic for interesting and productive discussions (but this can feel stifling for a lot of people, particularly but not exclusively minority groups in tech). Early on I definitely engaged in a manner that was less than pleasant, and the culture here seems to take a dim view of that no matter who it's coming from, which is the part I find the most impressive. I have since learned how to say what I want to say without just blowing raspberries (for the most part) and I am generally rewarded for it with interesting comments and upvotes.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
> Early on I definitely engaged in a manner that was less than pleasant... From your top-level comment, it sounds like you started when you were 15? So, um... I and a number of others don't really want to be judged by how we commented when we were 15. (In my case, not on HN - it didn't exist yet. But yeah, I was "less than pleasant" a lot of the time.) Don't be too hard on yourself for the teen-age years.
- jolux 6y ago
  Mostly I said a lot of inflammatory stuff when calling out sexism and racism, and was probably ignorant and worse on other subjects too. I learned relatively quickly that my assumptions about the site were incorrect.
- tasuki 6y ago
  > Don't be too hard on yourself for the teen-age years. Just wanted to echo this and extend it for the older of us: don't be too hard on yourself for the past.